[00:00:00.300] - Shane Cuthbert I'm spending all my time thinking about, Okay, now let's think about it seriously. How do I now control the Parliament or manipulate the Parliament or blackmail the Parliament into letting me get my way? (laughs) Because that seems like normal. [00:00:22.070] - Interviewer And your way would be what? [00:00:24.540] - Shane Cuthbert I don't know. This is what I spend all my time thinking about. Like how do I show, how do I now show the speaker of the house who is in a position of power and authority, a very high position in this state? How do I show him that Shane Cuthbert will actually... [00:00:41.590] - Interviewer Who's boss. [00:00:42.340] - Shane Cuthbert ...yeah, that he's wrong. And Shane Cuthbert will teach him a lesson and he'll think, "Oh, fuck, I wish I never met that Shane Cuthbert guy". My theory is that when I was a young person, I was so incredibly vulnerable that now as an adult, I want to be lik, in control. I want to manipulate everything and I want to have like, Major Organized Crime, giving me info. I want to be able to call them up and be like, "Oh hey, these bikies want to fucken come and fuck me up, so can you guys send your squad out?" Then I also want to be a part of the bikies because I can be like, "Hey, there's this guy that's giving me a bit of grief. Can you just go and kneecap him?" And then I'm like, I want to have the ministers of parliament be like, "Oh yeah, look, can you just change this law for me or do this? Like...I just want to have like my finger in everyone's pies so that I become the ultimate controller of Queensland at this point. And then when that happens, I'll go on to Australia and then the world. And then it'll be just "Shane Cuthbert. Wow, he just knows everybody, everything. He's got everyone fooled and manipulated." (laughs) [00:02:14.180] - Interviewer Do you feel like you could associate with anyone else that's throughout history, perhaps, that has maybe had a similar way of thinking? [00:02:40.160] - Shane Cuthbert Adolf Hitler. (laughs) [00:02:46.500] - Interviewer Yeah. [00:02:47.940] - Shane Cuthbert Yeah. Yeah look, I don't know. I just want to… I'm disabled. Even today, I could have finished the uni assignment that was due yesterday that I haven't even started. So I'm already a day late. I could have started that this morning, but instead I thought, No, I will go and meet with Pat O'Shane so that I can do a video and talk about how me and Par O'Shane are going to fuck up the speaker of the Queensland Parliament. And so he can see that, "Oh, jeez, he's working with some people that fucking know some shit" instead because that was worth more to me. And it's next week. [00:03:54.400] - Interviewer Well, look, if doing this strategic fucking up a Parliament thing was actually part of your career path, like it was on the journey towards a career, then you'd have to balance that with, okay, but you're doing your degree is also part of getting a career, but also having these experiences as part of your career. And generally speaking, the experiences would trump the university experience because all your other classmates are also doing the degree, but not all your other classmates are having these other interactions with political people and whatnot. So, but the question is, are these other actions that you've been doing that you've been focused on instead? Are they actually leading to something of any productive value? What is the cause that you're trying to fight here? What is the outcome? It just seems like it's just everything that you do, whilst you can function at a certain level of functionality, it seems like the goal is always driven by the same underlying motive. And that motive is like a dog that's really good at chasing car tires. But at the end of the day, even if it gets the car, its face is just going to get fucking munted under the wheel. (laughs) It's really fucking motivated to get that tyre. It'll chase any car. It doesn't give a shit who it is. But it's probably never going to get it. It's wasting its time. Even if it does, his fucking nose is going to go under the wheel. (laughs) [00:05:50.740] - Shane Cuthbert And everyone is like, "Why the fuck do you do that?" [00:05:55.100] - Interviewer It's like it seems almost like a waste of energy towards something that can't possibly... It'll just self-destruct. See, even the need to... Like you just described you need to want to be part of the bikies so you can go and get people fucked up, but then also be part of the cops so they can dob on the bikies. The problem there is, and this is the thing that even Hitler got right, you have no sense of any communal loyalty. You're not loyal to one particular group or cause or reason or thing. It's just purely about...like, even using people to manipulate them to achieve larger aims, there is definitely some value in being a skill of being able to do that, to get things done at some level. Leaders, politicians, people need to be able to play politics in that sense. But they play politics in a way that still gets them somewhere without... You're playing politics always gets you kicked out. Eventually, it gets to the point where people go, "Wait a second. He's not loyal to anyone or us at all. He just is the dog trying to chase the car to teach you a lesson, driving through its territory, will piss on the car and everything, and..." It's not going to be helpful to them. Like....the value that you....They're going to figure out that the value that you provide to any of these individuals or groups will end up not being worth the... You're wanting more value from them to you than what you're giving to them. You're just not loyal to any particular... You want them to be loyal to you, but you don't have a sense of connected loyalty to anyone in particular. Eventually, people figure that out. Then when that happens, then it gets to the point where they make a few calls and suddenly you get a call saying, "Yeah, no, you're banned." And you're like, "Oh, what? How did that happen?" [00:08:20.520] - Shane Cuthbert It always gets me by surprise. It's always everything is going good, and then it comes As a shock. I think I'd like to know what the decision was. What the hell? What's the reason? I still don't know why I've been banned. And there's one part of me that like, feels good. Like, hang on a second. If I had have told a young Shane Cuthbert 10 years ago, "One day, One day, there will be premiers and political parties, and the speaker of the Queensland government is going to sit down and have a meeting and a conversation about you." Whether or not to ban you from the parliament. I would not have believed that. I would have thought it sounded pretty cool because it's just some "look at me now" but but- [00:09:30.680] - Interviewer You said that you like thinking about what I said about this disability thing, but at any point, other than thinking about, "Ahh I'll show them, how can I get them?" Have you thought about maybe making an appointment with a psychiatrist or something like that that specializes in Cluster B personality disorders? [00:09:50.200] - Shane Cuthbert No. I'm too busy doing other stuff.(laughs) I'm too busy with my illness. [00:10:09.130] - Interviewer All right, think of it this way. What if the day comes where Rob Pyne or Pat O'Shane or someone like that finds out that, I don't know, you've been doing dodgy shit, like finds out the actual truth behind everything. They find out also that you're not trying to defraud anyone necessarily by ripping off anyone and making money, but you're just a dog chasing cars that just wants to be Kermit the Frog and fool everybody and make everyone just be talking about you, and realized that they were played or manipulated, but not in a way like playing politics, but in a way that it was just part of some crazy guy's fantasy. Do you think there would ever come a time where either of those people would sit down and go, "Well, look, I understand. Yeah, it's all right. I understand. That's fair enough, yeah." [00:11:19.150] - Shane Cuthbert I don't know. I think those types of people will. Um, I mean I already get a sense that Rob Pyne, is, ya know, his, his time has come and gone, and he's just picking up straws, and he'll just be associated with anyone that wants to give him the time of day. [00:11:38.160] - Interviewer Really? Why do you say that? [00:11:42.430] - Shane Cuthbert It's just the vibe that I get. [00:11:45.170] - Interviewer What do you mean? You say his time has come and gone. Like, he's a has-been, and now he's kinda desperate? [00:11:51.300] - Shane Cuthbert Yeah like, people just don't really take him seriously. He gets a lot of criticism. He's slowly gone from member of the Labor Party to then the Greens, to then went through the Greens to Socialist Alliance. He's getting more and more left, and he's getting more and more into nut job territory. A lot of the people that he hangs out with now are all fucking nut jobs. They're all like, people that tie themselves to trees to stop the bats, getting...the tree getting cut down, and just fucking crazy, real fucking left-wing nut jobs. [00:12:30.130] - Interviewer So ahat are you saying? Like he's losing the plot? [00:12:35.720] - Shane Cuthbert I think he's losing the plot, but I think he knows that his time's coming to an end. He's not as popular as he used to be. He likes to have some popularity and influence. Um, so this young tattooed guy that gives him the time of day, he thinks that's pretty good. [00:12:59.680] - Interviewer Oh, You're saying other political people have people coming out the left, right, and center, trying to get influence and trying to say, "Hey, I want to give you attention", and he's a bit more desperate for it because they don't take him seriously? [00:13:16.700] - Shane Cuthbert Yeah. It's just the people that are coming to him now are just absolute retards. [00:13:24.780] - Interviewer Whereas once upon a time, he had more credible, serious.. [00:13:28.710] - Interviewer Yeah [00:13:29.080] - Interviewer ...people he was dealing with. Now, he's got to put up with retards because he can't do any better than this. [00:13:33.260] - Shane Cuthbert He's scraping the bottom of the barrel with his supporters. [00:13:37.100] - Interviewer Oh, really? [00:13:38.510] - Shane Cuthbert Yeah. [00:13:43.110] - Interviewer But at the same time, you want to form a political party with him? [00:13:49.610] - Shane Cuthbert Well, yes and no. Well, look, he still is a former MP, and he still does have a lot of respect from a certain part of the community like the old people. He's still got the old vote. He still is a counselor, so he still has some form of influence. [00:14:21.800] - Interviewer Put it this way. If the Labor Party come along today, or even the Liberal Party, or anyone, Labor or Liberal Party come along to you and said, "Hey, listen, we want you to be part of us, and we want to give you a candidacy in a federal seat, and we want you to be in a higher position." What would that mean for your relationship with Rob Pyne? [00:14:55.630] - Shane Cuthbert Well, I think he'd support it. [00:14:58.950] - Interviewer Well, let's say the liberal party come along tomorrow, or the National Party come on tomorrow and say, "Shane, would you like to run as the member for Leichardt or something, we'll give you a full support, but you have to distance yourself. You have to say, Fuck off to all these other lefty weirdo's that you've been hanging around with because they've got a bad rep. You've made it now. Look at you now. You got to be taken seriously. You can't be seen hanging out with these losers." What would you do? [00:15:34.880] - Shane Cuthbert I'd still have to stick with Rob. I would be trying to manipulate Rob back into the fold somehow. [00:15:45.150] - Interviewer What if they said, "No, look, he's a has-been. You're up and coming, right? You've got your whole future ahead of you. He's spiraling downwards. He'll be gone soon. Forget about him. Come with us." [00:16:04.560] - Shane Cuthbert Ah Fuck. [00:16:10.190] - Interviewer If Rob is spiraling downwards and losing his mojo and it's all over for him, what's the appeal for you to be holding on to him then, if no one takes him seriously anymore? [00:16:25.760] - Shane Cuthbert Well, he's still probably one of the people in this community that takes me seriously. (laughs) [00:16:31.160] - Interviewer Alright what if some more credible, higher up people started taking you seriously? [00:16:41.270] - Shane Cuthbert Well, ideally, I'd like to form a team with all of them and be the puppet master. I've met with a few people already now, and they're like, "Oh, look, we will not join a team with Rob Pyne. He's too far left." And I've been saying, "Look, that's why I want you on the team. I want to have a team that isn't left, that isn't right, that's got a good mix of everybody." Now, we know that Rob is a shoe-in for that seat. That's all I'm about, is winning an election, having a team that wins an election. If that person is popular in that area, we should have them there and we should win that seat. That's how you get a party that forms government. If we have a party that is on the left or on the right, well, we might pick up a couple of seats there, but we'll lose everywhere else. So, ya know having a mix of candidates from both sides of politics and people that are popular in their communities is the way that we get elected and we form a party and we ensure that we have the power and the majority. [00:17:59.760] - Interviewer Now, I don't mean to bring reality into this, but it sounds like what you're saying is the whole concept of having a base. Okay, we appealed to people because people The reality is people tend to want to know. They tend to see themselves on some part of the spectrum between the center, the right, the left, and they want to know, Oh, he's a new party, he's a new candidate. Where do they fit on that spectrum compared to me? If someone comes says, "Oh, we cover the whole spectrum", when has that ever worked? That's not generally how it works. [00:18:39.560] - Shane Cuthbert Yeah. Well, that's not why I was forming a party. I was really just forming a party to get myself elected. [00:18:47.550] - Interviewer Yeah, but what about getting the party elected into power? You need a whole bunch of candidates that all [00:18:53.280] - Shane Cuthbert Are consistent. [00:18:55.030] - Shane Cuthbert Yes, I get that. [00:18:55.850] - Interviewer Appeal to the same base. [00:18:59.330] - Shane Cuthbert Yeah. [00:19:00.620] - Interviewer Can you imagine having a party that was, it had in it? Who's that? Who's that? Green's Senator, that Breast feeds in Parliament and stuff like that. Do you know what I'm talking about? [00:19:25.940] - Shane Cuthbert Senator Hansen, Young? [00:19:27.370] - Interviewer Yes. Imagine having her and Pauline Hanson in the same party. [00:19:31.600] - Shane Cuthbert Did she get voted out? Or is she still in? Because I haven't heard from her for a while. [00:19:36.790] - Interviewer Who knows? I've been in jail, who cares. But you imagine having her and Pauline Hanson and Malcolm Turnbull all in the same party. It's like that's a nice balance there between the right, the left, and the center, but...that doesn't work. Because if you get somebody who votes on the right, they're going to be like, "Wait, what the fuck? It's got that Pauline... Hanson Young bitch. I hate her. No way." Especially considering that in politics, people generally don't vote for something. They vote against someone. They vote against what they don't like. Then you got someone on the left that goes, "No, I'm not voting for them because they've got Pauline Hanson in it." Then you got both left and the right that go, "What? Malcolm Turnbull." People on the the left think he's on the right. People on the right think he's on the left. Have you put much thought into, if you want to form this party with Rob, if he's a far leftian, then you got a far left party. You're going to be your party's a tree-hucking party. [00:20:54.530] - Shane Cuthbert Yeah, I know. And that's some of the criticism that I faced already because people are not joining a party with with Rob Pyne. He's just too far out in the fucking greens over there in the left for us. [00:21:05.510] - Interviewer He calls fucking what... Supreme Court judges, Comrade? [00:21:15.550] - Shane Cuthbert (laughs) [00:21:16.560] - Interviewer Does he wear a fucking Hammer & sickle shirt as well? Or Che Guevara shirt? [00:21:22.600] - Shane Cuthbert Yeah, he wears a different shirt every day with some statement on it. [00:21:26.740] - Interviewer But has he actually said Has he actually said anything that supports the former Soviet Union? [00:21:35.750] - Shane Cuthbert (laughs) I don't know. [00:21:37.640] - Interviewer Has he actually said anything that supports actual Leninism, Marxism, that shit? Like is he Is he still actually in denial of what Communists fucking Eastern Europe was like, or is he just into giving pensioners a bit more money? [00:21:59.090] - Interviewer Is he just a into the environment a bit or is he actually full-blown Communist? [00:22:05.070] - Shane Cuthbert He's a little bit like… [00:22:08.390] - Interviewer Is he like a fan of Antifa? [00:22:11.360] - Shane Cuthbert He's a little bit like, "I'll support whatever you want me to support." Even yesterday, I met with him. He was like, "What do you want me to do? Do you want me to get arrested? Or if you want me to get arrested, I'll get arrested." I was like, "What? I don't even know how logistically they would arrest you." What would they say? "Hey, we've got a guy in a fucking disabled, motorised thing." What would they do? Would they have to take his body physically and lift him up, out, and put him in the back of the paddy wagon? Or would they be like, "Hey, sir, can you follow us?" What if he refused? How do you arrest someone that is a quadriplegic? [00:22:52.820] - Interviewer Would he resist? [00:22:55.000] - Shane Cuthbert Well, he can't. He's a quadriplegic.(laughs) [00:23:00.480] - Interviewer Will he turn his electric wheelchair the other way and start trying to leg it? [00:23:05.650] - Shane Cuthbert I don't know. I guess he could. He was just like, "Yeah, I'll be there right besides it, brother. If you say we should get arrested, we'll get arrested." [00:23:15.160] - Interviewer If you said to him, "Listen, we're going to shut down an abortion clinic. What do you think about that?" [00:23:22.880] - Shane Cuthbert He's against that. He voted He voted for legalizing abortion, and he introduced that legislation to the Queensland Parliament, actually. [00:23:40.760] - Interviewer He introduced it? [00:23:42.450] - Shane Cuthbert Yeah, it has nothing to do with it. Also the Royal Commission or something in Queensland into child abuse and stuff like that. [00:23:53.880] - Interviewer Have you ever heard him talk anything about Malcolm Turnbull? [00:23:59.920] - Shane Cuthbert Have I heard anything about him? [00:24:03.220] - Interviewer Has Rob ever spoken about him? [00:24:05.660] - Shane Cuthbert No, I don't think so. I don't know what Rob's thing is. He talks about basically when he was younger, he had no interest in politics. His dad was the mayor for 30 years. His dad then went to Brisbane, was one of the big power players. He was head of the Cairns Labor Party. He was one of the power brokers in the Labor Party down in Brisbane. Very well respected. Rob was not interested. Rob would get in trouble. He got arrested. He got drunk and stuff like that. Then he had his accident. He became a quadriplegic, jumped off the boat and fucking snapped his neck. Now, he then became interested in being a politician. It's interesting because it's this extreme vulnerability. A time when he thought, "Well, now I'm a quadriplegic. What can I do in my life? I can't work." He was a university lecturer for a while at JCU. Then he ran for council, I guess, like his dad did. Maybe his dad gave him the idea. His dad certainly then pulled the strings as part of the labor party there to get him in, We should get you on state government. Then he achieved a great deal as the first quadruplegic, possibly in the world, but definitely Australia. I don't think there's been one since, the first quadriplegic politician elected official. So I wonder where his motives come from because I get the vibe that he's just happy to go along with what other people think. I know he gets insecure about his health and his disability a lot, but he just seems very happy to just… He seems a lot like me, but just older. Like, "Oh, yeah? What? You're doing… Oh, yeah, okay. Well, if you want me to support it or do anything… You're making a public statement saying that…" I don't know. I might as well say, "The Aboriginals, we should just round them all up and kill them." You'd half get him supporting you. (laughs) He'd have to stop and think, "Hang on a second. I don't know if I really support that." But I feel like if there's a group of people around him that are all saying, "Oh yeah this is a good idea. Let's do this." He would just go, "Oh yeah, all right. No worries. Well, anything you want me to do, I'll support that. I'll jump on it. What do you want me to do? You want me to make some phone calls or you make a statement or, like, yep, get arrested?" He's a bit of a puppy dog, which is odd because I think maybe that's because of his disability. Many of the other members of Parliament or former members that I've met are not like that. They're more egotistical. They're more like, confident. Rob gets very insecure about stuff sometimes. Sometimes he gets insecure and you call me up and be like, "Oh, hey. So I was just thinking about this and I just wanted to run it by you because I didn't want to like..." I'm like, "Rob, it's all good. Just spit it out. Like what's the go?" "Oh I just didn't know if I could say this or something." I'm like, "Yeah, say whatever you want. I'm an open book. I don't care. It's all good." He's like, "Okay. Just wanted to be sure. I just didn't want to upset you or anything." It's just very weird. It's like someone that, obviously, I look up to thinking, "Well, this guy had a position of authority and power," but he's very weak and vulnerable and easily taken advantage of. [00:28:20.500] - Interviewer You think he is easily taken advantage of? [00:28:23.970] - Shane Cuthbert Well, that's the vibe, that's the feeling I get. I mean, I spend a lot of time with him. [00:28:29.320] - Interviewer Right. [00:28:30.680] - Shane Cuthbert I probably spend more time with him than anyone else besides his carers. I'll see him every week. I mean, look, he was a member of Parliament when his dad passed away. Then he got booted from the party and sat as an independent. Now, after that, he ran again as an independent and he lost the election. So maybe there's a bit of… He might have a bit of feeling there that, "Oh, jeez, I only really won that because of my dad and because of the Labor Party support." Being an independent is a lot harder, especially at a state and federal level, to run. You don't have the volunteer capacity that liberal or labor They've got Young Labor and Young Liberals, and they've got university clubs like Young Labor Club at the Uni and all this, and they've got this untapped resource of, "Okay, we got 20 young Uni students that are going to put on a shirt and go out door knocking this week." You don't have that as an independent. I don't know. It's interesting. [00:29:56.550] - Interviewer But he still managed to get elected as an independent? [00:30:00.230] - Shane Cuthbert No, he didn't. He lost. [00:30:03.100] - Interviewer On the Council? [00:30:04.970] - Shane Cuthbert No. Then he lost at the State as an independent, and then he ran for Council and won. So he won the Council, won his division, It's a lot smaller, a lot less door-knocking. But he was in Council before that as well. So He's actually thinking about running for a different division now. When he was originally in Council, he did two terms in Division 3. Then he was a State member. Then he come back. Now he's Division 2 councilor. He He has to run for four or five because apparently no other councilor in Queensland has successfully won an election in three divisions. He would be the first councilor in history to then win three different divisions in the same region. So he's got this idea in his head that he wants to do that. I think he should just stay where he is, and then he's just got a guaranteed seat. It's all very interesting. [00:31:29.590] - Interviewer Yeah. Do you feel that he is so accepting that you can be fully transparent with him about everything? Or do you still feel like he still... I feel like you still have to... If you told him that, for example, oh fuck I dunno, you started Domestic Violence Anonymous by including a board of directors member who is disabled himself and doesn't know what the hell is going on, would he be like, "Oh, yeah, no, it's just what you do?" Or would he be like, "Oh, what?" [00:32:14.380] - Shane Cuthbert He would. I honestly think he would. He'd just be like, "Yeah, that's what you got to do. You just got to look ahead. You got to do it." [00:32:26.170] - Interviewer Right. [00:32:29.860] - Shane Cuthbert Look, he still gets emails. He prints them off and gives them to me. He still gets emails from anonymous people saying, "Oh Did you know Shane Cuthbert? He's a rapist, and he cheese-grated his wife's face. He makes explosives, and he's a gangsta. He's got these charities. He's got these charities. You know what he does with the charities? If he uses them to launder money, he launders money through his charities. He's a gangster that uses the charities, but they're a façade for laundering money. He's ripping off the NDIS because you're disabled and Shane, he rips off charities on the NDIS." He gets various things regularly. Even Deb Killroy, actually, I met with… After the first time I met with her and I put up a photo, she said, Oh, yeah. I got a couple of people messaged me going, Oh, no, he's a bad guy. He's Australia's most evil husband, and blah, blah, blah. She just said, I just told him to go get fucked. She's like, Tell me the story. I told her the story about going on the current affair, the cheese grater, and all that. She was just laughing. I was like, I've never had anyone laugh about that before, especially someone that… [00:33:53.540] - Shane Cuthbert She stands up for women's rights and women in prison. She's like, Oh, a lot of these women are in prison because they got fucking abused and domestic violence. We got to free all the women and let them all out. They can't be in cages and jails. But she's just like, Oh, yeah. She just sounds like a fucking idiot, like a fucking psycho. I was like, Yeah, all right. She sympathizes and is like, Yeah, well, I have people telling me all sorts of shit about you. I was like, Oh, shove that up your ass. That's odd. There's people that are like that that don't seem to care. But then there's other people that go, Oh, whoa. Okay, then I don't really want to be associated with him. Oh, jeez, I don't want to get a photo with him. [00:34:40.940] - Interviewer Speaking of NDIS, did you- I've noticed is there's people that care more about their image than others, like Rob Pine, Deb Kuhl, even Pat O'Shane now, they think so highly of themselves, I think, that they don't stop to consider. [00:35:00.070] - Shane Cuthbert I think that they just think that they're awesome and they don't think… Even Pat O'Shane, you could tell her, Oh, he's an evil husband guy, and she'd be like, Oh, well, so what anyway? I'm a magistrate. I was the former magistrate. I was the first indigenous magistrate. They call me an icon. She says it all the time. They call me a national treasure, that I'm a national treasure, don't you know? She'll just start going on about that and how awesome she It's like, Oh, don't worry about that. It's just like they think that they're so awesome. Me standing beside this young person could not possibly tarnish my reputation because my reputation's so good. Don't try They put, Don't try to smear shit on me. He might have some shit on him. That's okay. But me, I'm a national treasure. It's something I've noticed with these extremely confident people around me, don't seem to care. I could tell them, Yeah, I was a child murderer. I've changed my life. They'd be like, Oh, that's good. Look, how can you help me now? How can you be of use to me now? Pado Shane's like, Okay, you can help me research my PhD. [00:36:13.630] - Shane Cuthbert Dead Killroy is like, All right, you can help me stick it to the Queensland government so we can get these new youth detention centers swashed. [00:36:22.070] - Interviewer Rob Pine, Delt Killroy, and Pado Shane all have something in common other than Shane Cuthbert. They are all the first of something. You said Deb Killroy is the first barrister who's ever been in jail, right? [00:36:39.520] - Shane Cuthbert Yeah. [00:36:40.900] - Interviewer Rob Pine is the first disabled member of Parliament. Yeah. Pado Shane was the first indigenous magistrate. Yeah. But see, not only were they first or something, have there been others after that? Have there been other disabled members of Parliament, other indigenous magistrates, other women who have been in jail for a long time and come out and become a barrister? [00:37:02.670] - Shane Cuthbert Plenty of indigenous barristers and school teachers and all that thing now. But the disabled thing, I don't think so. But yes, people that have done time in custody and become lawyers, look, there's probably a few. Females? Probably. I mean, I don't know. There's a few out there that don't highlight it. [00:37:26.490] - Interviewer Women. Women who have been in jail and then go and pass the bar. She's a barrister, right? [00:37:34.110] - Shane Cuthbert Yeah. [00:37:34.790] - Interviewer Is she KC? [00:37:37.560] - Shane Cuthbert No. [00:37:38.260] - Interviewer She still practices? [00:37:41.080] - Shane Cuthbert Yeah. [00:37:43.580] - Interviewer So what? She gets on the robe and the wig and goes to the Supreme Court and shit like that? [00:37:51.460] - Shane Cuthbert Yeah, does coronial inquests. Actually, she's representing a friend of mine who's a bandido down on the Gold Coast for He got a murder charge, a historic murder charge. He didn't commit the murder, but he helped after the fact. He's bandido mates. She's representing him, so she still practices. [00:38:14.250] - Interviewer He's charged with murder? [00:38:16.330] - Shane Cuthbert Yeah. Or accessory to murder or something like that. I'm sure it's murder. He always says, I'm charged with murder, looking at 12 years or something. Yeah. [00:38:31.240] - Interviewer You're right. [00:38:32.930] - Shane Cuthbert The first of something. Well, look, that's a particular type of person because to be the first of anything, you've got to go against- You've got to be the ugly duckling. Yeah, you've got to do that. Then maybe they think, Oh, he's an ugly duck. They go, Oh, well, who cares? It's all good. [00:38:51.160] - Interviewer We said everybody else was concerned in their image. Everybody else has just been part of something else that was already in existence. They didn't start anything. They just had to stay in the center of the Sunbell Curve for safety and security and make sure they fit in with something. Yeah. But the thing is, because not only were they the first, but well, at least with Pado Shane and Rob Pine, they were the only. If you're the first or something, but then remain the only, eventually, you're going to have a downfall. Pado Shane got basically kicked out of… How many other magistrates get told to fuck off? [00:39:38.500] - Shane Cuthbert She's old and she is... [00:39:42.050] - Interviewer Yeah, but she got told to fuck off. She got to fuck off the bench Before she got old, she told to get fucked off the bench because she was just making reckless decisions. Too many of them. Rob Pine has just gone… According to you, I don't know anything about him other than what you tell me, but it sounds like he's just gone off the deep end. [00:40:09.620] - Shane Cuthbert Yeah, that's interesting. [00:40:11.790] - Interviewer I never heard about this Debbie Killroy. Woman, what do you mean? How old is she? [00:40:22.690] - Shane Cuthbert She's got to be 60 something. She hasn't come across that old. Like, She text me. I'll put up a post and she'll think it's funny or something, and she'll just send me a message and say, Lol. I'm like, Okay, I take it. You thought that was interesting. Let's have a look at a Wikipedia. [00:40:50.070] - Interviewer Do all these people have Wikipedias? [00:40:52.600] - Shane Cuthbert Yes. [00:40:54.310] - Interviewer Have you tried to write yourself a Wikipedia entry? Yes. [00:41:00.200] - Shane Cuthbert Well, I haven't tried to do it myself. I've tried to pay people to do it, and no one does it because I'm not popular enough or something, apparently. She was born in 1961, so she's 62. Human rights activist lawyer, prison reformer. [00:41:23.980] - Interviewer She's been in jail in Queensland? [00:41:27.010] - Shane Cuthbert Yeah. In 2007, she was the first person with serious convictions to be allowed to practice law by the Supreme Court of Queensland. She married Joe Killroy, who played… She's still married to him. She played rugby league for Queensland with Malmany When I introduced her to the mayor the other day, I was with Rob Pine, and Rob Pine said to the mayor, Joe Killroy. The mayor was like, Oh, yes, Joe kill me back in the day, and he used to run and blah, blah, blah. Then Rob said, Well, that's Joe's partner. He was like, Oh, yeah. She did six years in prison after selling cannabis to undercover police. [00:42:37.530] - Interviewer Why did you sell it to them? Did the undercover cops want to get high? Why didn't she just sell it to druggies instead? Trade.