[00:00:00.000] - Interviewer How many subjects have you failed? [00:00:01.560] - Shane Cuthbert We actually did legal..ah, what subject did we do? We actually did a subject where basically we got taught, like, if it looks like it could be a potential conflict, like oh you, there's a photo of you on Facebook having a beer with the judge at a birthday party three years ago, and someone could potentially raise that and say, "Oh, you guys are buddies. You could talk about the case." Then you've got to step away from the case. That's the general rule. That's what we got taught as students. I actually met this morning my mentor for the first time. I've been given a mentor... [00:00:37.160] - Interviewer Yeah [00:00:37.570] - Shane Cuthbert ...and he thought it was a bit of a conflict. He was like, "Oh, look, if yas were both lawyers, probably not. But given the fact that you are a student, you're in a more sorta vulnerable position." So here's this... student. (laughs) The lecturer basically should have knew better and should have said, "Oh, look, ...shoulda said I can't work on this case because this guy's one of my students." [00:01:06.090] - Interviewer Mmm [00:01:07.000] - Shane Cuthbert Might not be seen too favorably by the courts. I mean it won't change any outcome. But look, here, and here's another thing. This, this is another reason I think why I'm under investigation is I'm a member of all the, um, law associations, right. And so I go and I've been getting photos with judges and magistrates. And when I got raided, the first thing I was asking for was a copy of the warrant. Now, they refused to give it to me because they said, "Well, you're not the owner of the premises." So they just refused to give me anything. And then I was saying, "Ahh, who's the magistrate? Who's on the warrant? I'll give him a call. Who is it?" And then while they were standing there, I called one of my friends that works in Department of Premier and cabinet, and I had him on loudspeaker. "So look, I just got Liquour and Gaming and about eight police officers here at the moment. I'm getting raided. It's all bullshit. But, you know, do you still know someone that works at um, the office of the Commissioner?" Then, because they took my laptop, I was on to the Commissioner, the Attorney General. So they had these investigators that would have had people much higher up than them asking, "What the fuck is going on? Who's this Shane Cuthbert guy? Why have you taken his laptop?" And then I sued them in the Supreme Court of Queensland, and they settled outside of court and gave me my laptop back straight away. So little things like that, just, it pisses them off, but then makes them think, "What the fuck is going on? [00:02:39.670] - Interviewer Right [00:02:40.500] - Shane Cuthbert What the fuck is going on here? Who is this Shane Cuthbert guy?" [00:02:47.470] - Interviewer Right [00:02:48.300] - Shane Cuthbert But yeah, I am strategically getting photos with all the magistrates and judges, so I know that down the track, if I get something that isn't really going my way or it doesn't look like it's favorable, let's say I get arrested for something again. (laughs) [00:03:04.690] - Interviewer Yeah [00:03:05.400] - Shane Cuthbert And the judge is just looking like, "Oh, yeah, Mr. Cuthbert, nah, you've, you've been a bad boy." (laughs) I can whip out, "Oh, well, Your Honor, that's actually brings me to my next point. This is us having a couple beers and, you know, whether or not we talk about the case. It looks like a conflict, could be a conflict. You might have to stand down." So, I am trying to get as much dirt on everybody and infiltrate every aspect of society to just use it to my advantage one day. They're not entirely wrong, like..(laughs). Like even just the fact I've been talking to Major Organized Crime, I'd use that to my advantage because I went to see the major organized crime here locally who knew nothing about me. And then they would obviously get in contact with Brisbane or you know, whoever I'd spoke to. And then relay that, they were having to then relay that to Liquour and Gaming to be like, "Oh hey, so he's got some messages there. He's an informant that he's meant to delete, but he hasn't deleted them. So you're going to see them and you're going to see that he's an informant and you're going to see that he's an informant. You know, you need to keep that stuff top secret. And, I'm just using that as another angle of them thinking, "Oh, what the fuck?" [00:04:25.970] - Interviewer Wait, is Liquour and Gaming a state thing or federal thing? [00:04:29.080] - Shane Cuthbert State. [00:04:30.280] - Interviewer Right. [00:04:32.070] - Shane Cuthbert Yeah, state. [00:04:35.680] - Interviewer Office of Liquour and Gaming Regulation. They've got two stars on Google. Two stars, only four reviews. [00:04:46.310] - Shane Cuthbert Okay, how do I click on this? One reminder. When is it going to come up? Yeah, meeting details. I've got a meeting in 10 minutes with the… Who is this woman? Someone at Parliament. So parliament is coming to Cairns next week. [00:05:11.610] - Interviewer Parliament is coming to Cairns. [00:05:13.130] - Shane Cuthbert Bringing the whole Parliament to the Cairns Convention Center. I was going to go anyway I got an email saying they wanted some volunteers, and for the volunteers, you get a, a shirt with Queensland Parliament on it. I'm just going to get some photos of that shirt of Queensland Parliament on it um, for my my election campaign.(laughs) [00:05:56.540] - Interviewer (Yawns) I think I saw something of you on there's Facebook or TikTok or something like that, and there's lots of umm, it must have been only recently.There's lots of, umm.. in the background on your wall, there's like frames of certificates and stuff like that. What are they? [00:06:15.330] - Shane Cuthbert So they're all my certificates and award nominations and... [00:06:19.220] - Interviewer All right. [00:06:20.420] - Shane Cuthbert Someone for being a finalist. [00:06:23.400] - Interviewer So they're mostly award nomination certificates stuff? [00:06:26.430] - Shane Cuthbert Yeah. [00:06:27.190] - Interviewer And these are nominations for awards that you nominated yourself using my name and Rob Pynes? [00:06:34.820] - Shane Cuthbert (laughs) Yeah. There's a couple of certificates there. [00:06:39.090] - Interviewer Wait, how many of them did you nominate yourself for using my name whilst I was in jail? [00:06:43.920] - Shane Cuthbert Oh, fuck. I don't know. Probably 20. [00:06:48.650] - Interviewer And there's no way that they can check. Like I've never received any... no one's ever contacted me, to clarify, or you've given them a different contact. [00:06:56.930] - Shane Cuthbert (laughs) Well, I was trying to think. I remember the Australia Day Awards a couple years ago. You had one called you only just to work out whether or not I was under 30 and meant to be in the young Australian category or something. [00:07:10.410] - Interviewer Yeah somebody called me and said I'd apparently nominated you for two separate age categories and what age were you? And I just said, "umm,he's both." (laughs) I didn't know what the fuck it was. Like, I didn't even know what the hell the award was in the first place. So I just, I didn't know what to say. [00:07:29.650] - Shane Cuthbert The last, the last twelve months, I've just been infiltrating society. Like, the stories I could tell you are so great. I've become a respected member of the community in some circles. (laughs) [00:07:52.350] - Interviewer Right. (laughs) You've infiltrated society. [00:07:55.940] - Shane Cuthbert Yeah, I've just been doing some shit. I think that the police fucking hate it. [00:07:59.150] - Interviewer The police? Why? What's their involvement with it? You mean the guys that you were informing to? [00:08:10.660] - Shane Cuthbert No, not them, but just general police. You know, um, they they don't like me. I was out in town the other night and I was getting photos with their car that they left unattended. And they come back and one of these cops was trying to be smart to me or something. I was like, "Oh, actually, I know how to do your job better than you do, and this is what you do." And he was like, "No, mate, I'm a police officer. You don't know anything." And then the senior cop comes over and he's like, "Ahh look, it's ahh, it's Shane Cuthbert." Umm, he didn't call me a backyard lawyer that time. He called me, a, fuck what do you call it? Like a vigilante lawyer or something. I was like, "Yeah, okay, that sounds like me." So regularly, I'll go into town and they'll be arresting some Aboriginal woman, and I start filming it and telling them, "Oh, yeah actually no, under the PPRA, you didn't do this and you didn't do that." And oh the up them there, and they get, quite, ah, upset with me about that. [00:09:08.020] - Interviewer Right. But have they ever arrested you or have a go at you or threatened you or anything? [00:09:12.900] - Shane Cuthbert No. The last time I got arrested was that time last year, remember. Remember I got found guilty of that? Of the... [00:09:20.840] - Interviewer No. [00:09:22.890] - Shane Cuthbert Yeah, remember there was the Abo's out in the street... [00:09:25.320] - Interviewer Yeah I remember that, but I didn't know you got found guilty. Wait, what did you get charged with? [00:09:33.260] - Shane Cuthbert They dropped the....ahh, there was a public nuisance and then at, then a- [00:09:37.280] - Interviewer Resist police? [00:09:38.710] - Shane Cuthbert No ah, getting there.. obstruct police. [00:09:42.650] - Interviewer Right. [00:09:46.230] - Shane Cuthbert Um, Yeah. [00:09:47.500] - Interviewer And you got found guilty of both? [00:09:49.660] - Shane Cuthbert No, no they dropped, they dropped the public nuisance, and then they found me guilty of the, ah, obstruct police. [00:09:57.680] - Interviewer Okay. [00:09:58.700] - Shane Cuthbert But then the magistrate was like "I don't know why this guy's here. The way those security guards were throwing around our indigenous peoples, you know, they should have been charged instead." Um, and the prosecutor was like, "Oh, we just haven't received a complaint. We'd be happy to." So I went to the police station and complained. And then they got back to me and were like, "Oh, yeah, no, we're not going to charge the, ah, security guards." So now I'm going to probably sue them at some point as well. But I had all these lawsuits on the go, like getting ready to go on my laptop. And then they took it. And when I got it back, all this stuff was deleted. [00:10:33.860] - Interviewer And you didn't have backups? [00:10:35.400] - Shane Cuthbert Including a letter for you, actually. I think it was like the day or two before you had caught and you needed a letter. And I had it open on my desktop. So when they opened my computer, the first thing they would have seen was this letter to Stuart Adams, this guy that is obviously in prison. Like, they would have read the letter. Um, and I'd outlined in the letter what I'd seen, what I hadn't seen, like whatever. So they would have been like, that would have been the first thing that they would have looked at and been like, "Oh, okay, so this is some other criminal that's in jail, and he's like writing a letter trying to get him out." [00:11:11.010] - Interviewer So I got, I got one month jail for ah, Resist Police. I got one month jail for breach of AVO. [00:11:18.210] - Shane Cuthbert Why do that? [00:11:20.020] - Interviewer He gave me an aggregate sentence. So I got one month for punching Melody's dad in the head. Because I was still on a CCO for that at the time. And so because I breached that CCO, he resentenced me. So he resentenced me to a month jail for punching Peter, Peter um, not Peter Busch sorry. Melody's dad in the head. A months jail for resist police. A month's jail for ahh, breach AVO. And the rest of it was for the use offensive weapon. Yep, he didn't believe that my intentions for bringing a Citronel oil candle with me were to actually repel mosquitoes. He didn't believe.. because it was the middle of winter, I should have really just used Aeroguard and didn't believe that the mosquito problem was sufficient to warrant using a $13 waxworth Citronela oil burner. I was really there to use the oil burner to make Peter Bush think that I was going to set him on fire. [00:12:30.720] - Shane Cuthbert Yep. Oh actually, I had an interesting chat with him recently. [00:12:37.370] - Interviewer With who was who? [00:12:38.580] - Shane Cuthbert With Peter. [00:12:40.230] - Interviewer Oh, really? [00:12:41.270] - Shane Cuthbert He called me thinking I was Jay Morgan, obviously. [00:12:44.770] - Interviewer When was this? [00:12:46.170] - Shane Cuthbert It would have been the day that Tyler got out because he was trying to organize Jay Morgan to go down and meet him at the train station. [00:12:53.490] - Interviewer A couple of weeks ago. [00:12:55.080] - Shane Cuthbert Because he was like, "Oh, yeah ah, you talk to ah, you live in here in town somewhere." I was like, "No, I live in Cairns". He was like, "What? What are you doing in Cairns?" I was like, "I've been in Cairns for six years." He's like, "Oh, jeez, I didn't know that." He's talking about all sorts of stuff and Shanel and all sorts. And then in the end, he goes, I'm on the phone to him for about half an hour. He just kept talking about stuff and what do we, how do we help him and all this stuff. Then in the end, he goes, "Oh, yeah, how's the Donald Trump thing going?" And I was like, "Oh, you're talking about Jay." And he goes, "Yeah, that's you, right?" I was like, "No, it's Shane." He's like, "Oh, what?" Then he got all confused and hung up. (laughs) [00:13:38.680] - Interviewer For half an hour, he'd been talking to you thinking you were Jay Morgan? [00:13:41.850] - Shane Cuthbert Yes. [00:13:44.870] - Interviewer That's a stupid, stupid man. [00:13:46.630] - Shane Cuthbert I wouldn't even think that he would know Jay Morgan. Like, at least me, I've met Peter a lot. I went to school with Tyler. I've been to their house. I've spoken to him. I spoke to him last year. Remember, I was on the train coming down, I was calling him. But yeah, that's why I thought it was all odd. [00:14:06.330] - Interviewer You were on the train coming down? [00:14:09.570] - Shane Cuthbert Yeah. I was in the central Coast, and I was coming down to Sydney the day you got arrested. [00:14:13.890] - Interviewer All right. [00:14:14.450] - Shane Cuthbert I was on the train and I was calling them. [00:14:17.800] - Interviewer And did you end up speaking to him? [00:14:18.860] - Shane Cuthbert I was calling him, telling him to go outside, remember? [00:14:21.420] - Interviewer Did you end up speaking to him? [00:14:24.340] - Shane Cuthbert Yeah, I spoke to him then, yeah. He was like, "I've got nothing to talk to Stuart about." [00:14:29.440] - Interviewer Right. [00:14:30.020] - Shane Cuthbert So yeah, so it was all... funny. [00:14:36.980] - Interviewer Yeah right. [00:14:38.000] - Shane Cuthbert How did he join this meeting? [00:14:39.680] - Interviewer So he didn't recognize you. He fair dinkum thought you were Jay Morgan the whole time? [00:14:43.630] - Shane Cuthbert Yep. [00:14:44.080] - Interviewer And then when you told him who you were, you just hung up? [00:14:46.860] - Shane Cuthbert Yeah [00:14:47.350] - Interviewer He didn't say, "Oh, whoops, sorry about that. Take care. See you later." [00:14:55.100] - Shane Cuthbert Yeah, about, oh I'm going to say probably about a month ago now [00:14:59.210] - Interviewer Yep [00:14:59.210] - Shane Cuthbert I got some random calls from a random number. And so I called it back and guess who it was. [00:15:07.430] - Interviewer Ben. [00:15:08.570] - Shane Cuthbert Yes. (laughs) [00:15:12.580] - Interviewer Right [00:15:12.750] - Shane Cuthbert He was ah, he was up here doing some splashy-splash. Well, he wasn't quite here. He was in Airlie Beach and Townsville. And um, so that was interesting. He just thought, "Oh, I've just been reminded of what we used to do and".... oh see, this is another thing that was getting me real paranoid because it was at the same time, really, like I was getting raided, all this stuff was going on, and then I was like, "Oh what if they've contacted Ben and then they've got him to call me to see what I admit to that we used to do back in the day or something?" I was just getting real paranoid because I was like, Oh, all of this stuff is happening at the same time. It was all very interesting. [00:16:03.660] - Interviewer Right [00:16:04.700] - Shane Cuthbert Um, but anyway, and then I haven't heard from him since so... [00:16:06.850] - Interviewer He just said, "Oh I'm just up in North Queensland on some holidays, and I was thinking about you, and I thought, I just call you all of a sudden." [00:16:15.520] - Shane Cuthbert Yeah. [00:16:19.390] - Interviewer And that was it? [00:16:21.090] - Shane Cuthbert Yep. [00:16:22.520] - Interviewer Did you ask him where is he living? How is he surviving? What's he doing? [00:16:27.170] - Shane Cuthbert He's a real estate agent. Um, down south somewhere. [00:16:34.330] - Interviewer Down south in Sydney, or.. [00:16:36.520] - Shane Cuthbert Yeah, yeah by the sounds of it and um, yeah [00:16:43.270] - Interviewer He's a real estate agent? [00:16:45.550] - Shane Cuthbert Fuck, man. Where's the fuck calls? [00:16:49.590] - Interviewer How would Ben be a real estate agent? [00:16:53.460] - Shane Cuthbert I don't know. [00:16:54.870] - Interviewer A real estate agent or like he, he just, he's a real estate mogul? [00:16:58.500] - Shane Cuthbert I'll have to call you back. I got to go in this meeting. [00:17:01.410] - Interviewer Alright. No worries.