Shane Cuthbert threatens his partner to help cover up a fake business built on proceeds of crime

🔊In this recorded conversation, Shane Cuthbert:

• Admits to running a business under his partner’s name (Georgia Rosandich) to avoid scrutiny due to his criminal history.
• States that he did “everything” in the business while Georgia contributed “nothing” — proving she was only a paper director.
• Admits the money used to fund the brewery came from trafficking guns and drugs — i.e., proceeds of crime.
• Confesses to sleeping secretly at a commercial premises while using a false residential address on official documents.
• Boasts about deceiving Liquor & Gaming NSW by hiding his control over the business.
• Openly says Georgia lied on applications and to investigators at his instruction.
• Threatens Georgia by implying he would burn down the business if she cut him out: “Like the place burns down… I’ve made it quite clear.”
• Says he still expects a cut of profits despite not being on paper and doing “nothing” once the business opens.
• Describes forging his public image through fake award nominations, many of which he submitted himself.
• Brags about using unpaid board roles (e.g., Cairns Art Society) to inflate his credentials and gain further legitimacy.

⚖️Crimes Committed by Shane Cuthbert

Based on the admissions Shane Cuthbert makes in this conversation alone, he has broken the following laws:

Offence	Description	Maximum Penalty
Dealing with proceeds of crime (s.193B Crimes Act 1900 NSW)	Admits business was funded using money from drug and gun trafficking.	20 years imprisonment
Using false documents (s.254 Crimes Act 1900 NSW)	Describes using fake residential address and forged forms in official applications.	10 years imprisonment
Threats to destroy or damage property (s.199 Crimes Act 1900 NSW)	Implies arson if Georgia cuts him out: “Like the place burns down… I’ve made it quite clear.”	10 years imprisonment
Forgery (s.253 Crimes Act 1900 NSW)	Admits to forging nominations and award forms in others’ names.	10 years imprisonment
Obtain financial advantage by deception (s.192E Crimes Act 1900 NSW)	Says he’ll profit from the business despite not being listed.	10 years imprisonment
Intimidation intended to influence conduct (s.13 Crimes (Domestic and Personal Violence) Act)	Coerces Georgia to lie and keep his criminal activity hidden.	5 years imprisonment
Supplying false/misleading information (s.307B Crimes Act 1900 NSW)	Boasts about providing false info on forms to Liquor & Gaming NSW.	2 years imprisonment and/or fine

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[00:00:00.000] – Shane Cuthbert
I want to see what this paperwork says. It’s, um, yeah it’s only like a fine. Like, it’s just a bit of bullshit. Like, it’s just not even worth their time, like, to prosecute. So, the idea is, I guess, that, yes, once she’s found guilty of lying to a liquor and gaming investigator, liquor and gaming won’t give her a liquor license because they can’t trust her. She’s not a fit, proper person.

[00:00:26.190] – Interviewer
Right

[00:00:27.040] – Shane Cuthbert
So I think that’s all they’re trying to do.

[00:00:31.290] – Interviewer
So, they came in. This is after they raided the place, right? They questioned her with a bunch of questions. One of the questions was to ask you if ya’s are together still together still, and she said “no.”

[00:00:46.870] – Shane Cuthbert
Yes.

[00:00:47.590] – Interviewer
And then they went through your messages?

[00:00:49.620] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah.

[00:00:50.320] – Interviewer
And determined from the messages that ya’s were still together?

[00:00:53.570] – Shane Cuthbert
Yes.

[00:00:55.160] – Interviewer
And then did she turn around and say, “Oh, yeah, actually, I lied about that?”

[00:00:59.060] – Shane Cuthbert
No.

[00:00:59.700] – Interviewer
What, what messages can they use to prove that you’s were together still?

[00:01:06.950] – Shane Cuthbert
I don’t know. Maybe messages to say, “I love you.” (laughs)

[00:01:13.680] – Interviewer
Yeah, you can just turn You can just turn around and say, “Oh, say, yeah I love you, but we’re not together anymore. I still love you, like we’ll always be friends and everything, but yeah we’re just friends now. I love you as a friend, like..”

[00:01:28.960] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah. Um. Look, they do have messages on the day that they came in and she was messaging me while they were there telling me what they were saying and…. she was like, “Oh, yeah, I’m telling them that we’re not together, blah, blah, blah.” so, it could be a little bit more there that they could, um, use. I mean, I’m not going to know until I get a brief of evidence, which we’ve got a lawyer. So the lawyer will ask for a brief of evidence first. They’re going to be like, “Oh, that’s a fucking pain in the ass for us for fuck all.” Umm…

[00:02:05.940] – Interviewer
Alright. So, worst case, best case, well, best case for them, they get a conviction of her lying to them, fine her like a hundred bux, or whatever the hell that would be worth. And then… What? They just can’t give her a liquor license.

[00:02:24.150] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, they’ll refuse. Then it goes to QCAT, and then it’s up to QCAT. And then you know, then you go from there. You can go to district and you can go to, ya know, keep fighting it in court until you find a judge that says, “Oh, c’mon that’s a bit of shit.” Like, what, you’re not going to give someone a liquor license because they lied about a relationship?

[00:02:48.660] – Interviewer
I mean, with a liquor license, I mean, didn’t you start applying for that several years ago?

[00:02:57.690] – Shane Cuthbert
Ah, yeah, so we applied for the Queensland…..so what makes it even more odd is that we have a federal license to produce alcohol. I’m allowed to make alcohol now. I have a federal government license that allows me to make alcohol. We got that last… I must have got it last March, so 12 months ago, and then we applied for our Queensland liquor license in April. That’s been 12 months. And that is the license to sell the alcohol that we produce. So at the moment, we’re allowed to make alcohol. We’re not allowed to sell it.

[00:03:37.890] – Interviewer
Wait, hang on. Here’s another thing, right. If youse are not together anymore, basically, you, you need her to be able to do this, right. To run this business?

[00:03:50.370] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah.

[00:03:51.190] – Interviewer
All right. But if she’s not with you anymore, then why would she continue to assist you with this?

[00:03:58.050] – Shane Cuthbert
Well, because she will have a share in it.

[00:04:05.860] – Interviewer
All right. So, so by her letting her, letting you use her name for it…

[00:04:11.390] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah

[00:04:12.310] – Interviewer
…she can still make money out of it?

[00:04:14.340] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah.

[00:04:16.440] – Interviewer
So does that mean… like are you allowed to run it and just not own it?

[00:04:23.480] – Shane Cuthbert
Well, that’s the thing. There’s no law against that. Like, there’s no law against me coming in and…or they come in and they see me there and they’re like, “Oh, what are you doing here?” And I’m like, “Oh, well, I’m an employee.” Like, there’s nothing fucking stopping that from happening.

[00:04:46.080] – Interviewer
Right

[00:04:46.240] – Shane Cuthbert
So, like there’s nothing illegal about that. Um, yes. Look, the idea is that they don’t want bikies to own businesses where they can launder money. Basically is, is, the idea. Um, and this is why they have to, you have to register your financial interests in things. You have to fill out the form. They ask you, “Is there anybody in a position of influence or control over the business?” And she said no. And they’re saying, “Well, from what we’ve seen, this Shane Cuthbert guy has a degree of control and influence over you and the business.”

[00:05:30.230] – Interviewer
Yeah

[00:05:30.490] – Shane Cuthbert
She could say, “Well, no, he doesn’t because I’m the sole director of the company. So what can he do?” At the end of the day, she’s responsible for it legally, financially.

[00:05:45.420] – Interviewer
Is there anything wrong with…like, would you be allowed to put your hand up and say, “Listen, guys, just to let you know, I am actually the one that’s calling the shots here. I’m just using my girlfriend’s name to be the official owner of it.” Like, is there anything wrong with you saying that, admitting that?

[00:06:02.050] – Shane Cuthbert
Well, if I, if I admitted that, then they could maybe charge her, again, with falsifying documents and saying, “Well, see, you lied on the document that said no one has control. Now we know he has control. So you lied.” So they couldn’t get me for anything.

[00:06:18.220] – Interviewer
Yeah but in reality, in, in…in reality, how much control did you actually have over it compared to her?

[00:06:26.340] – Shane Cuthbert
Well, on paper, none.

[00:06:29.480] – Interviewer
But I mean, in reality, how much work, how much of the work was she actually doing versus how much of it was you actually doing?

[00:06:35.940] – Shane Cuthbert
Well, nothing. I’ve done everything.

[00:06:37.570] – Interviewer
Oh okay. So I thought she was actually running around organizing things and…

[00:06:42.780] – Shane Cuthbert
No

[00:06:43.360] – Interviewer
…doing up the place or have some involvement in running it at all?

[00:06:47.090] – Shane Cuthbert
No.

[00:06:47.740] – Interviewer
Oh so she, it’s purely just her name. She’s not actually contributing the labor, the work, the skills, the decisions making at all?

[00:06:56.250] – Shane Cuthbert
No.

[00:06:56.610] – Interviewer
It’s all you?

[00:06:58.040] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah.

[00:06:59.150] – Interviewer
And you wouldn’t be allowed to admit that? Like, and just say, “Look, I make the decisions. She’s just on paper.” So I mean, how do they regulate or decide or police who actually makes the decisions? I mean, if it’s her name on paper, then who cares who’s making the decisions?

[00:07:16.550] – Shane Cuthbert
Well, that’s the thing. That’s why they want to now charge her, I think, because it’s their only way out of it. Preventing it. Because if they rejected our liquor license application and said, “We want, you know, something else” um, then, I mean we’d take it to court, and the court would say, “Well, this guy’s name isn’t on anything. Like, if you look at power and control, she’s the company director. She can choose whether she winds up the company, whether she buys things, she has control over the bank accounts, her name’s on it, she controls what gets spent. The money goes into her account. Like, how can you say this guy has control?” Like, it can’t really be argued in court. But they (inaudible) are lied to us.

[00:08:08.680] – Interviewer
Would it also, would it also mean if, if there’s some dodgy practices going on? Like, if you’re doing some dodgy shit just yourself, personally, right? They come in and find out you’re making alcohol not to the, you know, requirements, temperature requirements or you’re doing some practice that you’re not meant to be doing. Wouldn’t that mean that she would also, technically be liable for that as well?

[00:08:34.440] – Shane Cuthbert
No, because she’s not a licensee yet. So they have tried bullying her saying, “Oh, you are the licensee of this premises, so you’re responsible for everything. Like, if he’s selling alcohol here,” and then, you know, I’ve since corrected them and said, “Well, actually, she’s not a licensed see yet until you approve her liquor license, um, she’s not under any of those conditions.”

[00:09:00.830] – Interviewer
What would she be liable for then at the moment?

[00:09:04.840] – Shane Cuthbert
Well, nothing.

[00:09:06.630] – Interviewer
And so what would you be liable for?

[00:09:09.360] – Shane Cuthbert
Well, nothing.

[00:09:11.670] – Interviewer
Right. So no ones….there’s no liability at all at the moment?

[00:09:16.690] – Shane Cuthbert
Well, no, except for her lying to them. That’s it.

[00:09:22.670] – Interviewer
All right. So her lie is just purely about you still being together. That’s it.

[00:09:28.390] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah.

[00:09:29.920] – Interviewer
What if, I mean, even if she said, “yes, you are together?” What difference would it make?

[00:09:38.880] – Shane Cuthbert
Well, then I guess they would then say, “Oh, well see, if you’re together, then he’s in a position of control or influence because he can influence you because, he’s.. he’s if you’se are together.

[00:09:52.220] – Interviewer
Was she living there at the time?

[00:09:54.450] – Shane Cuthbert
No.

[00:09:55.680] – Interviewer
So she’s been at home with her parents?

[00:09:57.960] – Shane Cuthbert
Yes, the mum and dad. So they know. They’re like, “Oh, we think he’s living here. You’re not. We know that you’re not.” But they’re thinking..

[00:10:04.330] – Interviewer
But wait. They think you’re living there?

[00:10:07.380] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah.

[00:10:09.350] – Interviewer
But you are living there?

[00:10:11.280] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah.

[00:10:12.550] – Interviewer
So are they aware? They know that you’re living there?

[00:10:15.290] – Shane Cuthbert
Well, no. I mean, I’ve told them that I’m not living there because you can’t live in a commercial premesis.

[00:10:20.180] – Interviewer
Okay. Yeah. yeah. Hang on. Where do they think you’re living?

[00:10:23.240] – Shane Cuthbert
So they’ve just seen I have a washing machine and they’re like, “Oh, it looks like, are you sure you don’t live here?” But, you know, there’s no, there’s no bed.

[00:10:28.700] – Interviewer
So where do they think you’re living?

[00:10:30.880] – Shane Cuthbert
I don’t know. They think I’m living there.

[00:10:37.180] – Interviewer
But hang on. Where have you told them is your residential address as opposed to your business address?

[00:10:40.930] – Shane Cuthbert
Ahh, one of my mum’s units.

[00:10:43.010] – Interviewer
Oh, okay.

[00:10:44.270] – Shane Cuthbert
Which is on my drivers license as well.

[00:10:46.540] – Interviewer
Okay. So you just use one of your mum’s investment properties as a residential address?

[00:10:50.700] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah.

[00:10:51.230] – Interviewer
Okay. And who lives there?

[00:10:54.900] – Shane Cuthbert
Well, now, actually, my mom and my step dad. They just moved up here a couple of weeks ago.

[00:10:58.950] – Interviewer
Oh Okay. All right. So it’s their place you use.

[00:11:01.310] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah. But before that, it was an Airbnb, so…

[00:11:03.560] – Interviewer
Do you ever at least stay there occasionally? So in case they drop in, you can say…

[00:11:07.750] – Shane Cuthbert
Nah

[00:11:07.820] – Interviewer
…look here’s my room?

[00:11:09.400] – Shane Cuthbert
Nah.

[00:11:09.860] – Interviewer
Never?

[00:11:11.190] – Shane Cuthbert
No.

[00:11:11.670] – Interviewer
All right. So you got your mom to put up her… Does your mom know about this?

[00:11:15.420] – Interviewer
Yeah.

[00:11:15.990] – Shane Cuthbert
Okay. So she’s, she’s put up her address as your residential address, so they can’t get you for that…

[00:11:20.140] – Interviewer
Yeah (laughs)

[00:11:20.620] – Interviewer
…for living there? Umm… and they can’t get you for living in the… I mean, they can’t really just barge in and catch you sleeping in the bed or something. I mean, how would they even prove that you live in there?

[00:11:33.570] – Shane Cuthbert
Oh well, that’s the thing. It’s hard to prove. Like there’s no bed. So, I have a sleeping bag that I roll up and tuck away, so. You know other than that, I mean they can say “there’s a washing machine.” I can say, “Oh, yeah, that’s for towels.” Like, ya know, there’s there’s towels. When we’re cleaning shit up in rags and things, yeah, there’s a lot.

[00:11:54.830] – Interviewer
So how do you, where do you actually sleep, though?

[00:11:58.490] – Shane Cuthbert
I actually sleep there in the office.

[00:12:01.050] – Interviewer
Do you have a bed?

[00:12:02.660] – Shane Cuthbert
Nah. No bed. Where did Georgia sleep?

[00:12:07.070] – Shane Cuthbert
Oh so we used to have a bed, like 12 months ago, and we took it out. Like, when we applied for our liquor license, we took everything out. Georgia just moved in with her mum and Dad. She wasn’t allowed to live there, so we lived separately.

[00:12:22.720] – Interviewer
All right. Now, here’s the other thing alright. I don’t understand why you broke up with her just over her dad not wanting to talk to you.

[00:12:36.950] – Shane Cuthbert
Well, it’s not just that. She, like I’d see her once a week or once every fucking two weeks. So It wasn’t really like we were together anyway. And she just came over at fucking eight o’clock at night. Like, she’d work all day, finish exercising. She would come over and basically just have a root and fucking go to bed, and then that was it. So, ya know, there was no hanging out or being a couple. And then if we did on the odd occasion go out, she doesn’t do cocaine anymore. So she drinks like a fish and just becomes a bitch.

[00:13:18.880] – Interviewer
Wait, when did she stop doing cocaine?

[00:13:21.330] – Shane Cuthbert
Oh fuck. I don’t know. Like a year or two ago.

[00:13:24.230] – Interviewer
And then she started drinking since then?

[00:13:26.330] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah. Oh I mean she used to drink before then. But I guess when you’re on coke, you just, you just stay level.

[00:13:33.380] – Interviewer
But what, the last couple of years, she’s been becoming an alcoholic, basically?

[00:13:37.270] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah.

[00:13:39.110] – Interviewer
Right.

[00:13:40.370] – Shane Cuthbert
She doesn’t drink every day, but when she does, she just drinks until she’s absolutely fucken retarded.

[00:13:46.690] – Interviewer
And at what point did you decide, “okay, yep look, you know what? I’m sick of you coming over for a root and just going out and getting drunk and abusing me. So I’ll see you later.”

[00:13:57.270] – Shane Cuthbert
Ahh, I don’t know. Probably about a month ago.

[00:14:00.890] – Interviewer
And did you just…was it during a heated argument one night? You said, “Ahh yep that’s it. I’ve had enough.” Or did you say? “Listen, I think we should talk. I think umm…”

[00:14:09.400] – Shane Cuthbert
Oh it sort of was. She was being a bitch, and she messaged me and was like, “Oh, yeah, we need to talk.” And she would always tell me, “Oh, I don’t want you to be drunk or drink with your friends. Like I’m coming over.” And I’d be like, “Oh, all right.” So then I was like, she came over and was going to have a go at me. And then I was like, “Yeah, actually, we’re done.” And she’s like, “What? We’re, we’re over. We’re just done.” And then she was like, “Oh, what? No. Oh, no. That’s not what I want.”

[00:14:40.630] – Interviewer
Did you say, “Oh, I’m done with your stupid bullshit.”

[00:14:42.280] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah. I’ve had enough of your bullshit. Yeah…

[00:14:43.620] – Interviewer
That wrecks. (laughs)

[00:14:49.360] – Shane Cuthbert
yeah. (laughs)

[00:14:51.740] – Interviewer
And so, since then, have you, does she come over for a root still?

[00:14:55.370] – Shane Cuthbert
Umm, since then, she fucking tracks my every move. She will show up at everyone’s house that I’m at or wherever I’m at in town or just absolutely has become obsessed.

[00:15:09.980] – Interviewer
Right

[00:15:10.330] – Shane Cuthbert
Umm, yeah

[00:15:10.520] – Interviewer
Does that obsession include, like, coming over for roots?

[00:15:19.260] – Shane Cuthbert
Um, well, yes, but I have refused to root her.

[00:15:22.850] – Interviewer
You refused?

[00:15:24.260] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah.

[00:15:25.030] – Interviewer
How does she take that?

[00:15:27.630] – Shane Cuthbert
Ahh, she’s not very happy about it. She’s not very happy about this situation at all. She’s become very insecure. She’s gone from never coming over at all because all she cares about is her mum. Who had a stroke and now, she’s just not even seeing them. Like, she just finishes work, doesn’t even exercise, doesn’t even go over there. It’s just straight away trying to track me down where I’m at.

[00:15:55.250] – Interviewer
Has she ever been like, “Oh, what the fuck? I helped you, ya know, I was the front for you, set up this brewery and shit, you just used me and my family for money and shit, and now you’re a fuck?” Like, has she ever come out with that sort of argument?

[00:16:08.040] – Shane Cuthbert
No.

[00:16:09.670] – Interviewer
No?

[00:16:11.140] – Shane Cuthbert
No. But beforehand, ya know, before I split up with her, yeah. She would just come over once every two weeks and just fucking want to have a sook about something. And I’d be like, “What have you done at this brewery? Fucking nothing. You’ve done nothing. Like, nothing has been done.” And then there was shit like, Fuck, man. I don’t know why, but she’d like, change the passwords on the bank accounts and shit, so I couldn’t access anything. So literally for 12 months, nothing got done at the brewery because there was money sitting in a bank account. I couldn’t touch because she got the shits and reckons I was wasting money and she wanted to control everything.

[00:16:50.330] – Interviewer
Wait, where did the money come from in the first place? Like, you put a fair bit of money into renting the place and then renovating it and doing it all up and buying all this equipment. Where did that money come from?

[00:17:01.690] – Shane Cuthbert
Well, where do you think it come from?(laughs)

[00:17:04.050] – Interviewer
Was it proceeds of crime?

[00:17:06.520] – Shane Cuthbert
Yes. (laughs)

[00:17:08.460] – Interviewer
Right.

[00:17:09.610] – Shane Cuthbert
(laughs)

[00:17:09.640] – Interviewer
So this is all cash money that you’ve…

[00:17:11.170] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah

[00:17:11.300] – Interviewer
…you’ve made by trafficking guns and drugs and shit.

[00:17:16.160] – Shane Cuthbert
Yep.

[00:17:17.090] – Interviewer
That, that cash money went into this business?

[00:17:20.060] – Shane Cuthbert
Yep.

[00:17:20.920] – Interviewer
All right. Because I thought you said her dad put up some money or something, and thats why…I thought that’s why he had a sook about it.

[00:17:26.890] – Shane Cuthbert
No, they wanted to. This is another thing that pissed me off because I didn’t want to do this. I thought it was a good idea. They wanted to retire. They had some money. I was like, “Oh, this fucking brewery thing’s going off.” I could invest. I was only going to put 50 grand cash into it. And, then they pulled out at the last minute and Georgia said, “Oh, how about we do it together?” And I was like, “Oh, yeah. All right. Well, my name probably shouldn’t be on it because it’ll cause a drama like it has.”

[00:17:56.870] – Interviewer
Wait, hang on a second. Hang on a second. That that makes me… why, why can’t your name be on it, by the way?

[00:18:03.000] – Shane Cuthbert
Because I’ve got a criminal history and stuff, I was like, “it’ll just be easier being in someone else’s name.” I didn’t know what they knew. I didn’t know, you know, like I’d been raided by a major organized crime. I thought, oh, if my name’s on it, the police will say, “Oh, yep look, yes, he’s associated with major organized crime. Investigate that. He’s got a criminal history. He can’t be a fit and proper person.” And this was two years ago. And then now, I mean now, I think I think I probably have a good argument to prove that I’m a fit and proper person. I mean…

[00:18:34.710] – Interviewer
Yeah, I was going to say, why don’t you just now say, “Look, you know what”… I am.. put it in your name now. And just, to what, do you need Georgia for it anymore?

[00:18:44.930] – Shane Cuthbert
No, not really. I’ve given her the, like option. I said, “Look, you can give me 100 grand cash back and I’ll take the Range Rover and you can just run the business by yourself with your family, and it’s all your problem, or, ya know, we will try to run it together as friends.”

[00:19:07.890] – Interviewer
Right

[00:19:08.210] – Shane Cuthbert
And so far, she’s chosen that option.

[00:19:12.430] – Interviewer
When you say run it together, you mean you run it and she You just give it in her name and then you give her a cut of the..

[00:19:17.900] – Shane Cuthbert
No, the idea is that she quits her job when it’s open and she actually runs it and works there, and I get a cut for doing nothing at that point. I mean I don’t have time to be there or run it. Like, I’ve got other things to do.

[00:19:29.740] – Interviewer
(laughs) You don’t have time to work to make money. You’ve got, you’ve got um, other things, what? Running your charities and stuff.

[00:19:38.460] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, yeah. Things that don’t pay… to do. (laughs)

[00:19:42.400] – Interviewer
So then the plan would be she would be the owner of it.

[00:19:46.230] – Shane Cuthbert
Yes

[00:19:46.980] – Interviewer
She would be running it…

[00:19:48.850] – Shane Cuthbert
Yes

[00:19:49.550] – Interviewer
…and you get paid…

[00:19:52.280] – Shane Cuthbert
Yes

[00:19:53.170] – Interviewer
…to do nothing.

[00:19:58.760] – Shane Cuthbert
Yes

[00:19:59.550] – Interviewer
Because you’ve put the money in from the proceeds of crime…

[00:20:03.030] – Interviewer
Yeah

[00:20:03.170] – Interviewer
…to get it started. But then she could turn around and just say, “No no, fuck you. This is making money. I own it. You can’t prove shit. So see you later.” Why would she give you the cut?

[00:20:14.900] – Shane Cuthbert
Which is what makes the fucking liquor and gaming’s argument void because she can.

[00:20:24.590] – Interviewer
(laughs) So she would just purely give you a cut of it because… you got a verbal agreement that can’t actually be enforced?

[00:20:35.070] – Shane Cuthbert
Well, yes. And then, ya know, there could be possible repercussions as well.

[00:20:39.470] – Interviewer
Such as?

[00:20:40.960] – Shane Cuthbert
Like the place burns down and, ya know, things like that.

[00:20:46.320] – Interviewer
Would she consider that if she tried to do that to you, you might do that?

[00:20:50.450] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah.

[00:20:50.980] – Interviewer
Oh she does know that.

[00:20:52.430] – Shane Cuthbert
I’ve made it quite clear.

[00:20:54.010] – Interviewer
If she tries to cut you out of it, you’ll burn the place down…

[00:20:56.850] – Shane Cuthbert
Yep. Yeah

[00:20:57.550] – Interviewer
…while she’s in it.

[00:20:59.550] – Shane Cuthbert
And look, I’ll, I’ll still have to do something.

[00:21:01.900] – Interviewer
And she still wants to come back for roots.

[00:21:03.370] – Shane Cuthbert
(inaudible) parts of the business it’ll actually have to do. But yeah, for the most part, we’re actually not lying to Liquor and Gaming. She will be there. I’ll be there just as a backup every now and then. If someone calls in sick or something. Like, I’ll be using the office as my own personal office. And if it’s busy, I can help out. Um..

[00:21:26.080] – Interviewer
Wait, is this the office where you do those…um, I saw that video with all your nominations and stuff on the wall.

[00:21:31.890] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah. Yeah.

[00:21:32.770] – Interviewer
That’s in there?

[00:21:35.340] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah

[00:21:35.830] – Interviewer
So these award nominations, they actually send you out pieces of paper…

[00:21:39.420] – Shane Cuthbert
Yep

[00:21:39.850] – Interviewer
…and you frame them…

[00:21:41.410] – Shane Cuthbert
Yep

[00:21:41.670] – Interviewer
…put them on the wall…

[00:21:43.650] – Interviewer
Yep

[00:21:44.160] – Interviewer
…and these are all nominations that have come from you nominating yourself using my name.

[00:21:49.710] – Shane Cuthbert
Oh, not all of them, but yes, majority.

[00:21:57.900] – Interviewer
Are there any other things on the wall? Because you can’t really see in the video what those things are. They look like they’re just some certificates or some sorta thing. Are they all award nominations or are some of them actually some kind of qualifications or some…like if you just pull pictures out of magazine an put them in a frame.

[00:22:14.070] – Shane Cuthbert
There’s a lot of qualifications there, too, because I’ve been at Uni for three years, and every year you get to do free, two free courses. So I’ve done six, six or seven of those as well as like, extracurricular stuff. So I’ve got actual CQU, University Certificates of like, fuck probably eight of those. Some of the nominations, I’ve become a finalist. So then I get a fancy, like a fancy “oh you’re in the finalist” one. Um, I’ve got all my Harvard University of Queensland stuff on the wall.

[00:22:46.640] – Interviewer
Wait, what are the ones you become a finalist in? Like what type of… what are they business awards?

[00:22:53.030] – Shane Cuthbert
I was a finalist. The executive of the year, I was a finalist twice for two different things.

[00:23:01.000] – Interviewer
An executive of the year?

[00:23:03.540] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah.

[00:23:04.330] – Interviewer
Executive?

[00:23:05.850] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah.

[00:23:06.370] – Interviewer
As in a senior member of a Corporation?

[00:23:10.190] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah yeah

[00:23:12.610] – Interviewer
And what was the Corporation that you told them that you were an executive in?

[00:23:16.850] – Shane Cuthbert
Um, let’s have a look. Let’s have a look. I actually haven’t been nominated. The only thing I think I’ve had this year is the Australia Day Awards, um, which was Volunteer of the Year, which Rob Pyne supported me for.

[00:23:31.330] – Interviewer
But what was the Executive of the Year? What Corporation were you telling them you were an executive in?

[00:23:38.590] – Shane Cuthbert
So I was…I’m just going through…

[00:23:42.680] – Shane Cuthbert
And what executive role did you have? Were you a CEO? Were you a CIO? Were you a CFO?

[00:23:46.090] – Shane Cuthbert
I was the President of Domestic Violence Anonymous. I know that was one.

[00:23:50.520] – Interviewer
All right. So you were nominated for Executive of the Year for being the President of Domestic Violence Anonymous.

[00:23:57.030] – Shane Cuthbert
Yes. So that was for Not For Profit Executive of the Year. And then I was also nominated for Young Executive of the Year for being President of Shane Cuthbert’s Change the World Foundation, the Central Queensland University Law Society, Treasurer of the CQU, Social Innovation Network, President of Domestic Violence Anonymous. And, what else am I on the board of? I’m on the…I’ve got a few university things which are pretty good, and there’s something else I’m on. I can’t remember. Oh, now I’m a fucking committee member of the Cairns Art Society because by default, no one showed up to their AGM. (laughs) Um, so I’m just going around becoming a corporate member of things and all I do is go to a meeting once a month and vote on things for an hour, and I can say, “Oh, yeah, I’m on the committee for that.”

[00:24:54.610] – Interviewer
Right, but you don’t actually have to do anything.

[00:24:57.020] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, basically…

[00:24:57.460] – Interviewer
How do you get these committee positions? They don’t just elect anybody to a committee. Do you get elected to these committees by telling them that you’re already members of all these other committees? And then they just go, “Yeah, okay, no worries.” Then you accumulate-

[00:25:11.470] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, because I’m an experienced board member.

[00:25:14.530] – Interviewer
All right. So you start off with Domestic Violence Anonymous.

[00:25:16.950] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah

[00:25:18.080] – Interviewer
And Shane Cuthbert Change the World, and then that gets you onto a few other little committees.

[00:25:20.720] – Shane Cuthbert
Yep

[00:25:21.600] – Interviewer
And then from there, you can accumulate them. And then you’ve got all these other experience under the belt that all started off with Domestic Violence Anonymous.

[00:25:27.710] – Shane Cuthbert
Yep.

[00:25:28.500] – Interviewer
And that’s something that Georgia and I and Jay Morgan were able to help you with?

[00:25:32.540] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah.

[00:25:35.360] – Interviewer
(laughs) Did you say that Jay Morgan does or does not know about this?

[00:25:41.180] – Shane Cuthbert
I think I told him about it recently, and he was confused and he was upset.

[00:25:46.010] – Interviewer
Right. What did you say? Did you say, “Hey, by the way, just letting you know, I told ASIC that you are a director of an organization I made up.”

[00:26:00.180] – Shane Cuthbert
(laughs) Yeah.

[00:26:01.730] – Interviewer
Right. And he got upset.

[00:26:07.050] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah I think so. He was upset with me recently for… Oh that’s right. I was exposing his true identity. So he did this documentary where this… Oh, fuck. Have you seen the documentary about J. Mongon yet?

[00:26:22.210] – Interviewer
No.

[00:26:23.880] – Shane Cuthbert
Oh, fuck. This is the funniest shit ever in your life.

[00:26:27.010] – Interviewer
Where would I find it?

[00:26:28.620] – Shane Cuthbert
Now, I thought that this was amazing. Um, all right, where do I find it? What’s his name?

[00:26:36.390] – Interviewer
So it’s on online?

[00:26:38.530] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah. There’s some Melbourne guy. I wonder if I can just Google it.

[00:26:42.460] – Interviewer
Is it on YouTube?

[00:26:44.300] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, it’s on YouTube. Aussie.

[00:26:48.220] – Interviewer
Aussie Cossack?

[00:26:51.210] – Shane Cuthbert
Aussie Donald Trump. What’s doing media? That’s it. What’s doing media? He’s the guy that did this thing. He took him down to Melbourne to… Okay, let’s Google. What’s doing media? What’s doing media? Took him down to Melbourne to film all of this. Um, the man that dresses up as Donald Trump. All right, here we go. I’ll send you the link.

[00:27:27.870] – Interviewer
I think Tyler might have mentioned something about it when I was in jail

[00:27:30.180] – Shane Cuthbert
Look, this is so fucking good. And, you know, I was proud of it, and I, ya know, kept sharing it a lot, and then he got upset about that. And then I was also saying, “Hey, check this out. I went to Red Bank house Mental Institution with this guy”, and he got upset about that. And then I put up a post that said, “Oh, yes, my friend Jay now is now Aussie Donald Trump. He’s legally changed his name to Donald Jay trump.” And he got upset because I exposed his real identity to the world.

[00:28:12.670] – Interviewer
That’s Jay Morgan.

[00:28:13.330] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, so then he stopped talking to me, and then he just went to China. Then I called him, oh fuck probably about two weeks ago or whenever Tyler got out to let him know Tyler got out. And then he was talking to me, and then I said, “Oh, yep.” So I just pretended that I didn’t know he was pissed off with me because he blocked me on everything. And I said, “Oh I’m coming down to do my podcast. So are you going to do Donald Trump, Aussie Donald Trump on my podcast?” He was like, “Oh, no, I don’t know. I got to think about it.” I was like, “Oh, yeah, ya know like it’d be really good.” Um, anyway, that’s the last time I spoke to him, so I haven’t talked to him since he got back from China.

[00:28:59.470] – Interviewer
Right. He went to China so that he could go to the Madame to Tussauds Museum in Shanghai and stand next to the wax statue of Donald Trump.

[00:29:12.000] – Shane Cuthbert
(laughs) Yeah. So, you know. There’s that. And um, that was, that was funny.

[00:29:17.840] – Interviewer
Does the documentary ever show him out of character, like, just as Jay Morgan?

[00:29:23.380] – Shane Cuthbert
No. Well, it shows him getting ready as the character.

[00:29:26.720] – Interviewer
Yeah, but does it show him without the wig and makeup and everything.

[00:29:31.500] – Shane Cuthbert
Oh. It shows him putting the makeup on. He actually doesn’t have a wig anymore. He’s like, bleached his hair and he’s made his own hair like Donald Trump.

[00:29:40.620] – Interviewer
Yes, I saw him the other day.

[00:29:42.610] – Shane Cuthbert
Oh Okay.

[00:29:43.730] – Georgia Rosandich
Who are you talking to?

[00:29:43.880] – Shane Cuthbert
Oh, Stuart.

[00:29:45.990] – Interviewer
Yeah, so do they mention at any point in the documentary that his name is Jay Morgan?

[00:29:54.440] – Shane Cuthbert
No. And that’s why he was upset that I gave everybody his real identity. Have you called Mark?

[00:30:00.120] – Georgia Rosandich
No.

[00:30:00.870] – Shane Cuthbert
Do you want to call him now? Because he might say, “Come in now, see me.”

[00:30:04.390] – Georgia Rosandich
Why did you speak to him?

[00:30:07.470] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, I spoke to him and he said to tell you to call him.

[00:30:09.890] – Georgia Rosandich
What’s his number again?

[00:30:22.580] – Shane Cuthbert
0402 782…

[00:30:25.550] – Georgia Rosandich
0402 782…

[00:30:27.710] – Shane Cuthbert
551.

[00:30:40.520] – Interviewer
So when…

[00:30:41.400] – Georgia Rosandich
Mark how are you?

[00:30:42.710] – Interviewer
When Jay Morgan does this, he speaks with an Australian accent.

[00:30:46.570] – Georgia Rosandich
Yeah, I got it today…

[00:30:47.500] – Interviewer
So he’s not actually imitating Donald Trump.

[00:30:50.230] – Georgia Rosandich
No, it was about two o’clock. Oh yeah, yeah I didn’t really look at it. It was basically just like saying I lied. Yeah. Yeah. There’s three charges.

[00:31:04.760] – Interviewer
He’s legally changed his name to Donald Jay Trump.

[00:31:08.280] – Georgia Rosandich
Oh, no. It’s not like, she even said to me, but then get this, she said to me now because I was like, “Oh, well, I still want to open up. Like, I still want to” and she was like, “Yeah, yeah if you can get dropped the charges, if you can get them to not be charges, then I guess maybe.” Then I was like, “So you recon I can still get a liquid license?” She said, “Maybe, possibly. Yes, there’s a possibility you can still get a liquid license.” And I’m like, “That’s not what you said a week ago or whenever you spoke to me last.” Yeah, like it’s just ridiculous. But then she was like, “Oh, is everything okay with you?” And I was like, “What are you doing here, bro? I’ve got to go.”

[00:31:45.360] – Interviewer
Hey, Georgia.

[00:31:47.830] – Georgia Rosandich
Yeah, was that him. That lady. And then Johnny was like, “Why are you, why are you going off with a detective?” I’m like, “They’re not detectives. They’re not police officers. They’re Liquor and…yes, and I was like, “They just here to check about the Liquor License” And he’s like, “Oh, my goodness. They look like detectives.” I’m like, “They were.”

[00:32:05.800] – Interviewer
Hey, Georgia.

[00:32:06.360] – Georgia Rosandich
Yeah, she’s a fucking crazy bitch.

[00:32:09.950] – Interviewer
Georgia, can you hear me?

[00:32:12.260] – Georgia Rosandich
Yes.

[00:32:13.420] – Interviewer
Hello?

[00:32:14.490] – Georgia Rosandich
Okay, perfect. Thanks.

[00:32:15.970] – Georgia Rosandich
What the hell?

[00:32:16.520] – Georgia Rosandich
Thank you. Bye Mark. Bye

[00:32:16.890] – Interviewer
She talking to someone else?

[00:32:17.580] – Shane Cuthbert
Um, what did he say?

[00:32:19.930] – Georgia Rosandich
He said, just give it to me (inaudible) oh, fuck in total.

[00:32:21.010] – Shane Cuthbert
Oh right so there’s three charges now, you’re telling me? What are the three charges?

[00:32:25.730] – Georgia Rosandich
It’s just three separate things.

[00:32:27.620] – Shane Cuthbert
Like what?

[00:32:28.060] – Georgia Rosandich
It’s three separate occasions. Where I’ve misled information.

[00:32:31.780] – Shane Cuthbert
What does it say?

[00:32:33.850] – Georgia Rosandich
Um, ahh…On the fourth of May, State of Glory, the application that we made saying that there was no one else involved, um when they came around and said to me, “like is Shane involved?” And I said “no.” And then when they called me up and they had a conversation with me saying that you don’t live here. Which, I mean, you can prove that you don’t live here. Like, it’s just stupid…

[00:32:55.830] – Shane Cuthbert
What is that? The third one?

[00:32:57.780] – Georgia Rosandich
Yeah, the conversation we had.

[00:33:00.100] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, okay. Well I don’t live there? Prove that I live there. Fuck, this is ahh…that’s odd. So the first one, they’re trying to say you’re lying in your application.

[00:33:09.360] – Georgia Rosandich
But she even said she’s like, “liquor and gaming is not what we’re, we’re like, regulator.” I don’t even know what the fuck she is. She’s just a bitch

[00:33:17.990] – Shane Cuthbert
What do you mean? What did she say? You need to be really clear about what she said and write it down.

[00:33:21.820] – Georgia Rosandich
She literally said to me, “Hey, we’re here to serve you. Would you like to do it here? Or would you like to go out of the shop?” And I said, “Oh, we can go take a seat if you want, but I do have a lawyer, so you should probably contact him.” And then she was like, “This is going to take, this is going to be super quick.” And I was like, “What the fuck?” And I was like, “All right, whatever.” And she’s like, “It’s no serious charges. So you’re not going to go to jail or anything over it.” I was like, “Okay.” And then she was like, “But you lied on your application. You lied to the lady that was with her and the other one that came out from Brisbane. And then you lied to us over the phone.” And I was like, “Okay, no worries. Anything else?” And then she said, “Yeah, like, you, you’ve got to sign it.” And I was like, “Oh, I’m not going to sign it without my lawyer present.” And she was like, “Okay, no worries. I’ve just got to give you the paperwork.” And I said, That’s okay. And then I said, “I want to get my liquor licensing.” And she said, she is not liquor licensing. She’s like, “I don’t know if you’ll get your liquor licensing. I don’t know if there’s an issue with you getting your liquor licensing.” She said, “You could still possibly get it.” Then I said, “That’s not what you said to me on the phone.” Then she said, “What are you referring to?” I said, “The phone conversation that we had.” Then she was like, “Yes, okay.” And I was like, “All right, I’ll take the paperwork and I’ll see you later.”

[00:34:45.230] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, so maybe (inaudible)

[00:34:46.400] – Georgia Rosandich
And then she asked me how I am.

[00:34:47.120] – Shane Cuthbert
That would be good.

[00:34:48.740] – Georgia Rosandich
Pardon?

[00:34:49.580] – Georgia Rosandich
And then night, how are you? Oh Nice. Let’s just to make sure you’re all good.

[00:34:53.290] – Georgia Rosandich
And then she was like, “How are you? Are you okay?” And oh she told me that she’s got in contact with other people that are friends of ours.

[00:35:02.640] – Shane Cuthbert
What does that mean? What?

[00:35:09.410] – Georgia Rosandich
This is what she said to me, Shane.

[00:35:11.430] – Shane Cuthbert
She’s in contact with people that are friends of ours.

[00:35:14.630] – Georgia Rosandich
Or in contact with other people that we know.

[00:35:16.700] – Shane Cuthbert
What does that mean?

[00:35:17.710] – Georgia Rosandich
I don’t know, Shane. I’m telling you, that’s what she’s telling me.

[00:35:20.060] – Shane Cuthbert
What the fuck does that mean, though?

[00:35:21.970] – Georgia Rosandich
Is this the shower?

[00:35:24.070] – Shane Cuthbert
No, that’s the straffics. These are the two good bits.

[00:35:27.620] – Georgia Rosandich
Oh, sorry, just…

[00:35:28.190] – Shane Cuthbert
It hasn’t been paid for yet because, they send an invoice and they don’t accept a cash or card. So we have to pay the invoice. Oh, well there you go. Did you catch all of that? That was eventful. Three charges.

[00:35:44.060] – Interviewer
Wait what are the three charges?

[00:35:45.460] – Shane Cuthbert
One of them will allege that she told them on the phone that I don’t live there.

[00:35:48.970] – Interviewer
What’s the three separate charges?

[00:35:53.010] – Shane Cuthbert
The other one is for not putting me on the application. And what’s the other one for? Lying about what else?

[00:36:00.780] – Georgia Rosandich
Lying about you living here.

[00:36:02.720] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, lying about me living here. What’s the other two? One’s lying on the application.

[00:36:09.560] – Interviewer
Okay, so there’s three separate charges all for lying, basically.

[00:36:14.020] – Shane Cuthbert
What’s that?

[00:36:14.580] – Interviewer
There’s three separate charges all for writing false details.

[00:36:18.190] – Shane Cuthbert
Yes.

[00:36:18.770] – Georgia Rosandich
Great.

[00:36:21.570] – Shane Cuthbert
That’s what it looks like.

[00:36:23.680] – Interviewer
Well, you know what? They might not be serious charges that you go to jail for. Might not even be indictable offense but.. (crash).. fucking Christ.

[00:36:33.280] – Georgia Rosandich
If they’re not put on my record, then there’s no way that we’re going to find out about (inaudible) I need to look for it because they’re not involved. Tell us how.

[00:36:40.600] – Interviewer
It’s okay. It’s all right. It’s okay. It’s okay. You didn’t do anything wrong. You didn’t do anything wrong. Just grab you a couple of details and exchange details, okay? Hang on, I got to go.

[00:36:58.960] – Shane Cuthbert
All right. See you.