Shane Cuthbert admits to charity fraud, being a drug trafficker and police informant.

🔊In this recording, Shane Cuthbert:

• Admits to registering charities such as “Domestic Violence Anonymous” using his friends (one of which is mentally disabled) and partners identities without their knowledge or consent.
• Says he forged signatures on official documents, including board approvals and AGMs.
• Created fake meeting minutes to deceive the ATO for deductible gift recipient (DGR) status.
• Built a fake charity website that offers no real services but appears legitimate.
• Confesses that the charity does nothing at all and is just for show to win trust and make him appear credible to combat his image as a famous domestic violence abuser.
• Used the fake charity to con Members of Parliament (MP’s) and apply for government grants.
• Set up email accounts impersonating others linked to the charity.
• Talks about making money trafficking guns and drugs into Cairns.
• Says he’s currently under investigation and was raided by police.
• Claims to be a “high level” police informant (with Brisbane Major Organised Crime Squad Detectives) who snitches on his criminal mates to police so that they will protect him.
• Submitted dozens of fake award nominations under others’ names, including MPs.

⚖️Crimes Committed by Shane Cuthbert

Based on the admissions Shane Cuthbert makes in this conversation alone, he has broken the following laws:

Offence	Description	Maximum Penalty
Drug Trafficking (s.5 Drugs Misuse Act 1986 Qld)	Admits to moving “gear” (drugs) into Cairns.	25 years imprisonment
Dealing with Proceeds of Crime (Criminal Proceeds Confiscation Act 2002 Qld)	Implied use of drug proceeds in relation to charity setup.	20 years imprisonment
Forgery (s.144.1 Criminal Code Act 1995 Cth)	Created fake AGM minutes and forged board documents submitted to the ATO.	10 years imprisonment
Fraud (s.408C Criminal Code Qld)	Used false charities and documents to deceive MPs and agencies.	12 years imprisonment (or 20 years for aggravated cases)
Impersonation (s.512 Criminal Code Qld)	Registered charities using others’ names without consent.	3 years imprisonment
Obtaining Financial Advantage by Deception (s.134.2 Criminal Code Act 1995 Cth)	Sought government benefits or status through deceit.	10 years imprisonment
Tax Fraud (s.8N Taxation Administration Act 1953 Cth)	Filed false DGR claims and forged ATO documents.	10 years imprisonment
Misleading Conduct About Charities (ACL, Competition and Consumer Act 2010 Cth)	Pretended the charity was legitimate to gain public trust.	$2.5 million fine (individual), or up to 10 years imprisonment

Compare what Shane Cuthbert says in this recording with what he tells A Current Affair who spoke with him a few week later:

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[00:00:00.690] – Interviewer
What did you end up doing with that, um, charity situation? What’s it called? Domestic violence anonymous.

[00:00:08.520] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah.

[00:00:09.300] – Interviewer
What, what’s the go with that? Like, what actually was that? Because I know, you know, talk to me about it, but I didn’t really, I couldn’t really, I didn’t really care. Like, I didn’t really understand all,

[00:00:19.960] – Shane Cuthbert
well, it’s, uh, you’re the secretary. (laughs)

[00:00:23.870] – Interviewer
I’m the secretary?

[00:00:25.170] – Shane Cuthbert
yeah. You are the secretary of domestic violence Anonymous.

[00:00:28.370] – Interviewer
So what is it, like, what, how do you do, like what, what do you have to do to help?

[00:00:33.200] – Shane Cuthbert
I’ve got a website, and so now, so instead of doing meetings in person, I’ve just set it up so that I can do meetings online via Zoom.

[00:00:43.610] – Interviewer
All right. And how is that something that you actually do?

[00:00:47.960] – Shane Cuthbert
No.

[00:00:48.960] – Interviewer
All right.

[00:00:50.010] – Shane Cuthbert
But I actually have actually done nothing.

[00:00:54.240] – Interviewer
Has anybody ever approached you asking to do anything?

[00:00:58.000] – Shane Cuthbert
Like, I’ve got, I’ve got another meeting with the attorney general here again next week. She’s big on the domestic violence stuff. I just, I spoke to parliament last Wednesday about the victims of crime legislation and a whole bunch of things, and then they wanted, then I met up with a couple of the MP’s the next morning that wanted to come up and they want to do some prison reform stuff. So I’ve got a few meetings doing all of that.

[00:01:28.420] – Interviewer
But have they found you or is this bear some relevance to domestic violence Anonymous? Like, have people approached you or have you had interactions with them as a result of them being aware that you are involved, or have this organization called domestic Violence Anonymous?

[00:01:41.880] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, yeah. They think that I am like an expert in the domestic violence space and work with perpetrators and victims that are males of domestic violence.

[00:01:52.240] – Interviewer
Oh, okay.

[00:01:53.640] – Shane Cuthbert
And that I’m an expert in that field. (laughs)

[00:01:56.280] – Interviewer
So as far as they’re aware, you are actually running an organization called domestic violence Anonymous and actively doing stuff?

[00:02:02.780] – Shane Cuthbert
Yes.

[00:02:03.550] – Interviewer
All right. Okay. Do you have to show them anything? Like you have to give examples or do they just take your word for it?

[00:02:09.600] – Shane Cuthbert
They just take my word for it. I mean, they go to a website (https://shanecuthbert.com/homedomesticviolenceanonymous-2/) And the way I’ve got it set up, right, is, so if you want to attend a meeting, you’ve got to have a phone call with me first. Right. So I can, I can vet you, because I predicted that there would be a lot of people trying to attend these meetings to either, you know, take screenshots or identify people’s names and go, “hi, yes, see, they’re all these abusers.”

[00:02:38.600] – Interviewer
Yeah.

[00:02:40.200] – Shane Cuthbert
So you’ve got to do that screening and my mobile number is up there, and I’ve not received any mobile phone calls. So the website’s there and it exists. Probably doesn’t get a lot of traffic. I haven’t been promoting it or anything, but when I make submissions to parliament, I say, look, I’m the president of domestic Violence Anonymous and stuff like that. So I know, you know, I’ve been in custody. I’ve worked in this space. I’ve gone to men’s behavior change groups and things like that.

[00:03:16.460] – Interviewer
So you don’t have to prove anything to them. They just basically take it on face value. There’s no. They don’t have to actually get you to say, all right, let’s show. Let’s see what you’re actually doing to make sure this, this is legit. They just sort of assume that nobody would make that up otherwise. Unless it was true, essentially.

[00:03:34.420] – Shane Cuthbert
Well…Yeah.(laughs)

[00:03:35.340] – Shane Cuthbert
Look, everything’s recorded by Ansar and things like that. So there is the ah…they do, you know, warn you when they do the in person witness testimonies and things like that, which I’ve done twice now. You know, they sort of say, you know, this stuff can be used against you. I know there was this recent victims of crime, one I went to, there was a couple other people speaking there, and I had to keep telling them to stop speaking because they’re talking about ongoing proceedings that haven’t been finalized yet. And there’s, you know, the rule that you can’t talk about this because it might prejudice court case. So you can only talk about yourselves. A victim ten years ago, 15 years ago, things like that.

[00:04:22.080] – Interviewer
Right?

[00:04:25.570] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah.

[00:04:26.070] – Interviewer
So what, in order to actually be the president, like, to have, like, it is a registered not for profit, right?

[00:04:32.690] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:04:34.730] – Interviewer
Because I’m thinking about doing something similar, like registering a not for profit organization to. I mean, presumably the benefit of that was. Would be you did get tax exemptions and whatnot, so if you actually try to generate, like, funding and shit like that, there’d be some advantages to having a not for profit, at least for tax exemption purposes.

[00:04:54.980] – Shane Cuthbert
Well, you can start a not for profit. Like, say, like, my idea is I just haven’t applied for any grants yet, but I’m probably getting to that. Now that I know everybody that does the granting, I, um. I probably start asking for grants, and then there’s no reason why you can’t pay yourself a wage, you know, 100 grand a year, and then give yourself a car, you know, and you’re just driving around meeting with guys.

[00:05:22.280] – Interviewer
So people that you’ve come to meet with parliament and grants and various organizations. To what extent, would you say, your ability to say, “hey, I have this organization called domestic violence anonymous.” To what extent would you say that’s actually helped get your foot in the door?

[00:05:39.240] – Shane Cuthbert
Oh, 100%.

[00:05:40.610] – Interviewer
Really?

[00:05:41.560] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah. Like I’ve got personal mobile numbers of MP’s and things now. So for a while my lawsuit against the Labor Party was, I think. I think that got in the way that stopped people wanting to give me grants because the Grant (laughs), the people that grant them and offer the grants are like members of the labor party.(laughs) But there’s an election coming up next year and they’re becoming a lot more friendly with me recently. But I’ve been making submissions to nearly everything and they’re like, “who the fuck is this Shane Cuthbert guy?” So they all know, but you know, I’ve built relationships with them over the last probably six to twelve months

[00:06:27.960] – Interviewer
Because of having this domestic violence anonymous sort of thing to your name.

[00:06:32.920] – Shane Cuthbert
Well, yeah, that’s a part of it. I mean,

[00:06:36.320] – Interviewer
Well put this way, if it hadn’t been for that, like, did that act as a stepping stone to help build on other things?

[00:06:44.160] – Shane Cuthbert
Ah, not really. I don’t highlight the domestic violence anonymous stuff as much.

[00:06:50.460] – Interviewer
Right.

[00:06:51.840] – Shane Cuthbert
But I’m an individual with lived experience in the prison system, umm, so I just made a submission to the… the United nations come out to our prisons last year and the government, they knocked on the door and the prisons wouldn’t let them in. So the government’s changing all of their laws to allow them to the United nations to go in and inspect them and stuff like that.

[00:07:15.640] – Interviewer
Yeah. Which prisons were that? I thought I was only New South Wales.

[00:07:19.680] – Shane Cuthbert
It’s going to be every state because the federal government.

[00:07:22.340] – Interviewer
Which state didn’t let the UN in?

[00:07:23.600] – Shane Cuthbert
Every state has to create legislation allowing it.

[00:07:27.070] – Interviewer
Yeah, what I’m saying is, which state was that didn’t allow the UN when they came knocking?

[00:07:31.900] – Shane Cuthbert
I’m sure it was Queensland and New South Wales.

[00:07:36.940] – Interviewer
Yeah right.

[00:07:39.580] – Shane Cuthbert
And, you know, I’ve sort of said, “oh you guys will be embarrassed. You might want to do your own investigation before you send the United nations in there (laughs). You’re probably not going to like what they find.” Like, you know, it’s all good. When the head of the prison says, “oh no, it’s all good, the prison’s running good.”

[00:07:59.110] – Interviewer
So how do you actually set up, like, how is it different to set up a not for profit compared to a company? Like, is it basically the same thing?

[00:08:05.830] – Shane Cuthbert
It’s the same thing, only it’s federal and you don’t have to pay your fucking yearly company fees. You don’t have to do your fucking. You don’t have to do a lot of the shit, the ASIC reporting and shit like that that you had to do. Oh, you do have to report once a year to say how much donations you’ve received and how much of that is in a bank account and how much is. Put it this way. So my mate Russell Mancer, right, he’s went to prison. He got out. He. He got out. He got a payout from. He was a child survivor of institutional. He got out, he started voice of a survivor. He’s basically a millionaire now. And just. Guys got raped and shit. When they’re in juvenile detention, go to him and all he does is he has deals with law firms that basically represent people, but the law firms pay him for every client that he gives to them. There’s another guy now that’s just started the same thing in Queensland. About time for justice.

[00:09:11.510] – Interviewer
Yep.

[00:09:12.230] – Shane Cuthbert
There’s big money in it. He used to work for Russell the other day and said, “Oh watch out for this bloke. He’s a fucking..”

[00:09:17.680] – Interviewer
Yeah, I know A time for justice.

[00:09:19.720] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah. So these guys, they’re making fucking good money.

[00:09:25.100] – Interviewer
Yeah. The bum money pyramid schemes, a thing in jail. You get a bloke that goes around just going, “Hey, we raped? Were your raped?”. And if you say “yes” then he refers you to a law firm for some bum money, then he gets a cut.

[00:09:35.720] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:09:39.260] – Interviewer
So have you actually had to report like a yearly, some sort of yearly report with a not for profit, just declaring your, what, your wages, your donation, like that sorta thing?

[00:09:49.570] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, yeah. And I’ve done like three of those, but it’s just been zero. Zero every year. So, yes..

[00:09:57.670] – Interviewer
If you stop reporting, like, would they just shut you down? Like what? Like, if you put it this way, if you just come up with the idea one night when you’re drunk and you think you’re that big idea, how long would it take to set up? And then if you just forgot about it… like presumably you’ve actually maintained it in some way. You’ve had to do something to maintain it and keep it active.

[00:10:13.970] – Shane Cuthbert
It was a bit of a pain in the ass to fucking set up and to actually get the DGR status, which is direct gift recipients. So that’s where anyone that gives you money now it’s tax deductible. That was probably even harder because that had to go through the tax office. The tax office. You would do a lot of paperwork for it. We had to have a lot of dodgy pretend meetings, you know, where we all got together as a board and decided things and had to show meeting minutes and things like that.

[00:10:45.880] – Interviewer
Wait, whose “we?”

[00:10:46.260] – Shane Cuthbert
Me, you, Jay Morgan, and Georgia. (laughs)

[00:10:49.920] – Interviewer
Does Georgia know anything about this?

[00:10:52.180] – Shane Cuthbert
Uh, no.

[00:10:54.840] – Interviewer
I’ll take it jay Morgan doesn’t know anything about it either.

[00:10:56.790] – Shane Cuthbert
He did either until the other day. And he started freaking out, and then. Yeah, he just, he freaks out.

[00:11:03.260] – Interviewer
What?

[00:11:04.800] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, he just, I must have, like, mentioned it or something the other day, and he was like, oh, what? And I was like, yeah, your name’s on it. And it just was just, like, news to him. He didn’t understand.

[00:11:17.640] – Interviewer
Wait is this… so when you, when you set it up, did you have to fill out paperwork saying, “I am Jay Morgan. Here’s my signature. Here’s my address?”

[00:11:25.420] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:11:27.300] – Interviewer
Right, okay. So you had to basically pretend to be Jay Morgan and sign his signature. Did you forge your signature or did he just, like, some random signature, like, you know, what he signature actually looks like?

[00:11:39.780] – Shane Cuthbert
I don’t know what I’ve done. I’ve probably just made it up. Yeah. I mean, I can’t really remember, but.

[00:11:45.040] – Interviewer
All right. And it was so it was a bit of a muck around, like, you.

[00:11:48.900] – Shane Cuthbert
Oh, yeah. It’s, it’s not like, oh, you just think that’s a good idea one day and you do it. Like, you got to be pretty committed to it. Like, you’ll spend two, three days just doing all the paperwork and trying to figure it all out.

[00:12:01.040] – Interviewer
And presumably Georgia and Jay Morgan… certainly. I never got contacted by, what is it, ASIC or who actually regulates it?

[00:12:08.620] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah. No.

[00:12:09.820] – Interviewer
So they never contacted me. Presumably they didn’t contact Georgia or.

[00:12:14.640] – Shane Cuthbert
No. And they. But I’ve done. So since you’ve been locked up and you can’t answer phone calls for. Because you’ve been nominating me for awards the whole time.Umm…(laughs)

[00:12:29.290] – Interviewer
Oh really, like what? Did you win any?

[00:12:30.850] – Shane Cuthbert
But since you’ve been in custody? (laughs) I’ve set up emails, like, you know, like Stuart at domestic violence anonymous and things like that as well, that obviously I have access to.

[00:12:43.620] – Interviewer
Right.

[00:12:46.050] – Shane Cuthbert
I’m currently under investigation. I’ve been, as far as I know, since January. I got raided in January.

[00:12:52.460] – Interviewer
Wait. Under investigation by who?

[00:12:54.930] – Shane Cuthbert
Ahh, well, it’s very interesting. So you know how I used to talk to the police? Oh, well, they stopped talking to me in oh, maybe December-ish.

[00:13:07.060] – Interviewer
Wait, this was, you were talking to them about the Mongols, right?

[00:13:09.940] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:13:11.850] – Interviewer
Okay. See, that’s the kind of thing where I just used to listen and go, yeah, okay. But I didn’t really understand until I’ve actually met these people in jail. Now. Now I kind of was thinking, oh, when I get out, I’ll have to ask you about that stuff, because now it probably make a lot more sense to me than what it did at the time.

[00:13:25.090] – Shane Cuthbert
(laughs) Yeah. So.

[00:13:27.610] – Interviewer
So you were trafficking. What were you actually. You were transporting guns and drugs, what, just between Brisbane and Cairns. Right. There’s no, like, international. You ain’t, like, getting anything across international borders or anything, were you?

[00:13:42.410] – Shane Cuthbert
Um, nah. No international stuff.

[00:13:45.270] – Interviewer
Right. So it was just organizing drivers. That was it.

[00:13:49.500] – Shane Cuthbert
I, um.

[00:13:52.620] – Interviewer
Because I spoke to Tyler Busch about this in jail as well. And you remember how you told me he had a moment of, uh, of remorse?

[00:14:02.900] – Shane Cuthbert
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, what did he have to say about that?

[00:14:07.160] – Interviewer
He finally told me his version of the story. So he told me that you got him to be driving. I think it was just kilos of gear (ICE) or something like that. I don’t think you mentioned anything about the guns, umm, up and up and down the coast between Brisbane and Cairns. And then his version was that after it got to a point where these guys, these Mongols that you were working for got a bit, too. They’re really pedantic about where he had to be at certain times, and he wanted to track his location and everything, and they were really, like, you know, demanding about it, and he didn’t like that. And so he got to the point where he wanted to get out. He’d made enough money. He didn’t say how much. How much money would you say he actually made over time? Because I’m. He has. He has borrowed. Well, no, he. Karrie-Anne Busch has taken a lot of money from Mel.

[00:14:59.270] – Shane Cuthbert
Yep.

[00:15:00.100] – Interviewer
From her disability pension to pay for his legal fees. And I, at the time, assumed he. I mean, you told me you made what you might sound like you’d made, like, a hundred grand or something like that. How much?

[00:15:09.930] – Shane Cuthbert
Well, that one rip off would have been 120 grand in one go.

[00:15:13.970] – Interviewer
Well, how much money did you actually pay him over time to do work legitimately? Not. Not the ripoff gig.

[00:15:19.680] – Shane Cuthbert
I got maybe 50 ish,

[00:15:22.120] – Interviewer
About 50 grand.

[00:15:23.470] – Shane Cuthbert
Like, remember he did one trip when it was 15 grand? He was like, Ben was gone, and he had had us over a barrel, and, you know, you did a couple, and then he was like, well, I’m gonna do it.

[00:15:36.220] – Interviewer
I’m talking about when ya’s… after, after the ripoff thing, when you had met up with some Mongols through, I think was Skip Taylor, something like that. And then you just had Tyler doing something, and I was always out of Ben had disappeared by that stage. He’d like faked his death on instagram or some stupid bullshit and disappeared. And you just had some, some deal done with Tyler and I was out of. I didn’t really know what was going on too much until I remember there was a point where you asking me where can I find Tyler or Tyler’s guy? Because these guys are pissed off. I didn’t really know too much what was going on. So at that point, through these Mongols, like how much kind of money? Like how many, how many trips did he did and how much were you paying him? Because I have a feeling that what he, I honestly, to this day suspect he’s, he’s actually still got a shitload of cash stashed away somewhere. And when the time came, he just, he just…

[00:16:24.550] – Shane Cuthbert
I thought that too. Like… I, I thought that too, because he’s, he’s sneaky. He’s mister puzzles.

[00:16:34.900] – Interviewer
Yes.

[00:16:36.420] – Shane Cuthbert
Look, it could have been anywhere between 150 to 200 all up.

[00:16:40.200] – Interviewer
That you paid him?

[00:16:41.660] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah. Well, no, that he paid, I reckon about 50, maybe 50, 60.

[00:16:47.380] – Interviewer
So you’re saying he would have made. You would have paid him at least 50 grand during that time just to do, how many deliveries…

[00:16:56.160] – Shane Cuthbert
And when he did the magic trick, that was 120,000 cash just in one hit, so.

[00:17:00.380] – Interviewer
Yeah, that he can potentially deny to this day still. But, but the part he can’t deny is part where you actually just, just paid.

[00:17:09.970] – Shane Cuthbert
No well, he admitted it. What did he say to you? Because he confessed.

[00:17:12.610] – Interviewer
No, no, no, he didn’t admit that. That’s not what he admitted. No way. No. To this day he still, he still maintains that that was, you know, that was a legitimate. Someone else ripped him off.

[00:17:24.560] – Shane Cuthbert
Oh, no, he didn’t tell me that. He’s confessed to me.

[00:17:28.440] – Interviewer
No, he. So he’s basically said once these guys, these Mongols got a bit too demanding and he wanted to get out, he intentionally sabotaged a batch of methamphetamine, which I take it he mixed with, I think he said sugar. So that. So his plan was that if he mixed the sugar with the meth, then once it arrived up at your end, they would go, “Oh yeah nah this is shit stuff” and wouldn’t want to buy it anymore. And his plan was just to blame Santy Claus. Who was Santy Claus? Who was actually, what was his actual name?

[00:18:08.130] – Shane Cuthbert
(laughs) Oh, fucking Santy Claus. Brett Moore

[00:18:10.440] – Interviewer
Brett. Yeah. Yeah. So he’s, Brett Moore, was it?

[00:18:15.130] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah,

[00:18:15.470] – Interviewer
He was a guy with a dirty old, dirty old beard.

[00:18:18.170] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah,

[00:18:18.820] – Interviewer
Yeah, okay, well, he’s, that’s right. His plan was that everyone would just think that Brett was the, um. Was. Was selling dirty shit. And he thought that way they would say “yep no, we don’t want to buy anymore.” So then he would be free to be able to get out of it, because he would. He would basically sabotage the demand. And if there was no demand, then. Then there’d be no need to go and collect the supply anymore. So that was the version that he told me, so that he could basically get free of it because he felt like there was no way of getting out of it. And I did tell him that that resulted in a situation where you were in your life was at risk because I wanted to blame you. And as result, in a situation where you approached me asking where to find him, and I intentionally didn’t let you do that. Like, I said no, to protect him. And I told him he probably never really realized how close he was to, to danger, which he was protected from and didn’t really even understand or appreciate the, you know, the significance of.

[00:19:27.900] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah.

[00:19:28.370] – Interviewer
So that was pretty much what he told me. He just. How many. How many runs did he actually do for that Mongol thing?

[00:19:35.140] – Shane Cuthbert
Oh, fuck. I don’t know.

[00:19:38.780] – Interviewer
Because he made it like it was only one or two.

[00:19:41.420] – Shane Cuthbert
Ah, no, way more than that.

[00:19:43.720] – Interviewer
Like, what are we talking, minimum? Maximum?

[00:19:48.980] – Shane Cuthbert
Oh, I’m thinking, like, ten, maybe. Like, I’m thinking there’s a few. I mean, I can’t remember. I’m going back a long, fucking long time, I guess.

[00:19:58.420] – Interviewer
What, you’re paying him about five to ten grand per, per run?

[00:20:01.540] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah.

[00:20:03.270] – Interviewer
And how much kind of quantity was he. Was he delivering? Did it increase over time?

[00:20:06.260] – Shane Cuthbert
Remember when he started, he was in debt from going to Las Vegas. He had, like, 40 grand debt or something. So he might have paid off some of his debt, possibly. How does the family feel about how they paid all his legal fees and it cost all this money, and then he promised them that he was going to pay it back, and then he got out, and then he saw Shanel again and then went back to jail. (laughs)

[00:20:32.530] – Interviewer
Well, he’s still paying back Kerrie-Anne.

[00:20:35.570] – Shane Cuthbert
Oh, he is? Oh, okay. I didn’t think he paid anything back yet.

[00:20:40.550] – Interviewer
Well, Kerrie-Anne is insisting on him paying her back.

[00:20:43.850] – Shane Cuthbert
Yep. Well, that’s fair enough. I did tell her. I was like, “well, I don’t think you’re gonna get anything now.” Cause that’s all she was upset about last time he got arrested.

[00:20:57.420] – Interviewer
Well, he’s out now. He’s only got three months for it. I mean, he’ll go back again, most likely, if he gets back with Shanel. But he’s..

[00:21:04.420] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah I think he’s already back with her.

[00:21:06.370] – Interviewer
Kerrie-Anne is insisting that he pay her back, whereas Mel just was quietly happy to accept, hoping that some, you know, someone will do the right thing by her, but she’s not so vocal about insisting on it. So, um, and as far as Tyler’s aware, Kerrie-Anne, like, he didn’t actually go to Mel for the money. Kerrie-Anne went to Mel for the money.

[00:21:29.990] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah.

[00:21:30.560] – Interviewer
So Kerrie-Anne is getting paid back for herself for money that she dug down in her own pocket, but she’s not interested in, evidently, in paying back a cent to Mel.

[00:21:38.790] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah. See, that’s pretty fucked.

[00:21:42.990] – Interviewer
Yeah. So you reckon he did about ten trips, five to ten grand or so per delivery? Was. Was the amount of meth he was delivering actually increasing each time, or was it the same quantity each time? Like, was he making more and more, compounding it over time was like, a small amount. He started off and then get bigger and bigger, or is it just like a flat sort of same each time.

[00:22:02.010] – Shane Cuthbert
So I’m trying to think, because the shit fucking hit the fan with Ben and then, if I can remember correctly, that’s when Tyler got involved. Oh, actually, if I can remember correctly, you did that trip for 15 grand and you put all your smelly dead fish in there, in the kayak.

[00:22:27.850] – Interviewer
Yeah. I’m talking about the Mongol situation that happened after Ben disappeared. Because I didn’t know anything about that. Like, I didn’t. I mean, you told me again, but it was one of those things where, because I wasn’t involved in it I didn’t really…

[00:22:40.060] – Shane Cuthbert
Yes. So after Tyler ripped us off. Yeah. Well, then I don’t think he had anything to do with it at all after that. I don’t think so.

[00:22:49.780] – Interviewer
No, no, no.

[00:22:51.040] – Shane Cuthbert
So that.

[00:22:51.730] – Interviewer
Not the ripoff with the pink stuff. I mean, the ripoff.

[00:22:54.980] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, after that. That was it.

[00:22:56.740] – Interviewer
No, no. Then. Then you got. You got something happening with these Mongols.

[00:23:00.740] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, I didn’t do anything with Tyler.

[00:23:04.740] – Interviewer
Yeah, Tyler said that he was meeting with them and everything with you.

[00:23:08.320] – Shane Cuthbert
No,

[00:23:10.040] – Interviewer
These were the guys that, guys that, um, wanted to know where. What had happened. Because he sabotaged it. He brought it up one day and it was all they said. It burned brown, remember? And you. And you figured, ah, it’s probably got. It looks like it’s got maccas sugar has been put in it.

[00:23:27.280] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah. No, that was before the Mongols. That was just. That would have just been people up here. Yeah. He never got involved with the Mongols. And the Mongols never. Never met anybody either. It was always just, oh, there’s a car here or there’s this here, or there’s that. There you never met anybody. It was a very smooth operation.

[00:23:53.070] – Interviewer
Were they the ones insisting on logging some location with his app so he had to turn his phone on and show him where he was at all times and that’s when he got a bit. That’s what he described to me, at least.

[00:24:04.860] – Shane Cuthbert
Fuck maybe he did, but I can’t remember involved. I didn’t think he was ever involved. But that does sound familiar cause yeah that’s what they’d do on occasion…

[00:24:14.380] – Interviewer
Yeah, that’s what you’re telling me about. So just. I was just a bit zoned out the time. I wasn’t really.

[00:24:20.020] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah.

[00:24:21.080] – Interviewer
Thinking about it because I just. I was like, yeah, no, I don’t. The previous occasion was a bit too full on for me.

[00:24:28.800] – Shane Cuthbert
So I was like, I remember my mate, he, that was doing stuff. I mean, I’d sit in the movie theater and I could watch him on the phone and see exactly where he was and what was going on and I was, you know, a million miles away.

[00:24:40.920] – Interviewer
Yeah.

[00:24:42.640] – Shane Cuthbert
But I just. I don’t think Tyler ever got involved in that. I think Tyler was done after the kitty litter.

[00:24:51.720] – Interviewer
No, no, definitely not. I do remember this part. Like, I didn’t really understand the ins and outs of it, but I do remember Tyler got back involved with you and I tried telling you, like, you retarded because he’s fucking sabotaged it in the past, like, he’s just gonna do the same thing again. And then you were saying, no, no, no, you can’t this time because. So I can’t remember. This is the part where I didn’t really pay too much attention. But apparently, yeah, it was different. These Mongols apparently were much more organized…

[00:25:19.580] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah yeah yeah

[00:25:19.920] – Interviewer
…More professional. And Tyler had met up with them a couple of times. They had to meet him. They had to suss out who was. He told me he had to give over his ID as well. They need to know where he was, where he lived and who he was and everything.

[00:25:29.120] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, yeah, maybe. I mean, maybe I just. I can’t fucking remember it, but, yeah, maybe he did then. But I feel like I wouldn’t have done that. I feel like that would have been really, really stupid. (laughs)

[00:25:43.510] – Interviewer
Well, at the time, you didn’t have any other drive. You didn’t have anybody else available.

[00:25:47.710] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah.

[00:25:48.570] – Interviewer
I remember. I remember even on the phone once, you and him were meeting up with these guys at, oh, one of them was like late because he was, went to a fucking a rave or some shit like that. And then you were at a maccas or something somewhere in somewhere up the coast of Brisbane.

[00:26:11.800] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, fuck, that’s right. There was the two of us. We drove together. Yeah.

[00:26:18.870] – Interviewer
And these were the guys that you started doing things better, like professionally before that you had, you were dealing with what’s Tommo the Commo and things were like fucking all over the place. But once, once, Ben disappeared and I stopped involved having any involvement with them, you met up with these other contacts, these Mongols, through Skip Taylor. And I know Tyler Busch was involved for the first part of it and there was and things were actually doing well. Like you’re making money, it was reliable, it was good quality. And then at some point you noticed that the gear had been contaminated, it was burning brown or some shit and you were really pissed off. And that’s when Tyler stopped. He just stopped talking to you. Like, he just disappeared and stopped. Stop communicating with you. And then you stopped talking to each other for ages and then you started asking me where to find him and I was like, oh, no, I just, yeah, I can’t. Can’t do that.

[00:27:04.900] – Shane Cuthbert
Well.

[00:27:06.140] – Interviewer
And so apparently he’s intentionally sabotaged the batch so that he could get out so it would sabotage the supply chain and then they wouldn’t expect him to be doing any more deliveries. That was what he told me.

[00:27:16.630] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah.

[00:27:17.260] – Interviewer
He certainly never confessed to anything, relating to the the kitty letter or anything like that.

[00:27:21.730] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, he confessed to me about the kitty litter.

[00:27:24.110] – Interviewer
Are you sure?

[00:27:25.510] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah.

[00:27:28.750] – Interviewer
Because he come up to me, when we’re in Parklea. He goes, “oh, look, I take Shane’s told you about, you know, what I did and what I’d meant to.” And I said, “oh, no, not really.” And then he went and told me this story. He certainly, no to this day he still denies the kity litter thing.

[00:27:46.800] – Shane Cuthbert
The story is the same, he reckons, oh, yeah, I was stressing out and I thought, you know, I’ve got to get out of this. Ah.

[00:27:56.600] – Interviewer
Right, well

[00:27:58.200] – Shane Cuthbert
That was my 30th, so that was, fuck what am I, 32 now? So two and a half years ago. (laughs)

[00:28:07.450] – Interviewer
So anyway, back to, back to this, this not for profit organization situation, like, and how hard is to set, like, what do you have to do to set it up and to maintain it especially?

[00:28:18.010] – Shane Cuthbert
You still set it up through ASIC at first and then it’s. And then after you’ve done it all you, it transfers over to. Or it might be different now because it’s been a while since I set it up, but then instead of being managed by ASIC, it’s managed by the ACNC instead. So instead of getting your bill from ASIC every year, you’ll get an email or it might, or maybe do you just set it up on ACNC, to begin with these days? I know I’ve got a portal, like login on the ACNC. And I go in, I’ve got to go in every year and update it.

[00:28:54.360] – Interviewer
All right. And Georgia doesn’t know anything about this.

[00:29:00.420] – Shane Cuthbert
No

[00:29:00.810] – Interviewer
What’s her role? What’s her role? She like a co director or something?

[00:29:06.220] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, I think she’s just a director. I think your secretary, right? Maybe Jay. Morgan’s treasurer, I think.

[00:29:13.940] – Interviewer
And what are these, these awards that I’ve been nominating you for, apparently whilst I’m in jail. Like, what’s…

[00:29:19.800] – Shane Cuthbert
(inaudible) awards. So I’m under investigation now because they think that everything I’m doing is a front for…

[00:29:30.610] – Interviewer
Whose they?

[00:29:31.350] – Shane Cuthbert
Well, look

[00:29:32.120] – Interviewer
Who’s actually investigating it?

[00:29:33.340] – Shane Cuthbert
That’s actually a funny one. So the police stopped talking to me right around the same time, so it makes sense. But it was liquor and gaming that raided me.

[00:29:43.530] – Interviewer
Wait, so you’d been an informant for the police up until what, around January?

[00:29:49.490] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah.

[00:29:50.420] – Interviewer
And what were you informing? What were you telling them?

[00:29:55.060] – Shane Cuthbert
Oh…

[00:29:55.350] – Interviewer
What were you telling them?, Like, legitimate stuff?

[00:29:57.080] – Shane Cuthbert
Actually, at that point. Not a lot, because they flew up here. So I was working with the gangs unit,

[00:30:03.340] – Interviewer
Right

[00:30:04.180] – Shane Cuthbert
So they flew up here. There’s special guys that deal with ahh informants when it’s like gang related, so, like, it’s life threatening. Life in danger shit. And they flew up here to meet with me, I reckon that was November, and signed some paperwork, asked me if I knew who these people were, you know, showing me pictures and things like that. Umm..

[00:30:34.030] – Interviewer
This is. This is the police?

[00:30:36.070] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah. Now, it’s funny because at that point, they asked me, they showed me some pictures of some guys and said, “Oh, look, are they involved in the brewery?” And I was like, “No.” And nothing’s in my name. It’s all in Georgia’s name. But these guys that they showed me. And I said, “oh, well, can you give me some context? So why do you think that they’re involved?” They’re like, “oh, no, we can’t.” And I was like, “well, they’re not involved. So..”

[00:30:59.220] – Interviewer
So did you recognize them?

[00:31:01.350] – Shane Cuthbert
No, no, I don’t. It’s people I do not know at all,

[00:31:04.330] – Interviewer
Right

[00:31:06.080] – Shane Cuthbert
Umm, so I don’t know if it’s someone else talking about that they’ve invested in a brewery or somewhere. Somewhere. And they’ve got a phone tap and they’re…might be someone else’s. I don’t know how. They couldn’t tell me, obviously, how they got that information, but I denied it. And what’s happening now is that Liquor and Gaming come in to do a raid investigating the sale of alcohol without a license. Now, they come in here, I was sitting here with a bunch of guys, all drinking. And they didn’t ask any of us for our names. They didn’t ask any of us where we had bought that alcohol or whose alcohol it was or anything like that. They didn’t even search anything. Now, I just put up a photo, probably a week or two before that, of a gun and cash. Umm, and I assumed the raid was over that. They did not look through anything or for anything. All they wanted was my laptop and the computer in the office.

[00:32:08.460] – Interviewer
All right?

[00:32:09.200] – Shane Cuthbert
And I said, “oh, well, that’s my personal laptop. That’s not associated with the brewery.” I contested the warrant. I sued them in the supreme court. The attorney general then contacted me and had her lawyers arrange for my laptop to be given back to me. My laptop was given back to me. A whole bunch of shit had been deleted off it. I went in this morning because they’ve just emailed me to say, hey, if you can bring in a hard drive, we will. We will give you everything we downloaded off your computer. Because I got my computer back and there was a fucking lot of shit missing. All my lawsuits against the police, the Australian Labor Party, all of my documents, all of that was all gone.

[00:32:54.470] – Interviewer
It was deleted?

[00:32:56.150] – Shane Cuthbert
Yep, was gone. So I’m trying not to be a conspiracy person, but there’s something going on. Now, the office of Liquor and Gaming is in the Cairns casino. They’ve flown this regional manager up, Shelley Toffola, from Brisbane specifically to investigate me on the liquor and gaming side. Now, I’ve spoken to the police and they said it’s got nothing to do with them. However, when I got my laptop back, there was a receipt from the police station and I said, what’s this? And they said, oh, we couldn’t download it. So we took it to the police station and Major Organized Crime downloaded it. So then I went in and had a meeting with Major Organized Crime and said, “what’s going on?” Because what’s happened is, I know for a fact they’ve gone through all of my text messages, all of them, because they’ve called Georgia and said things to Georgia that we’ve said to each other in a text, because they’ve got my imessages on my laptop. So they’ve got me talking about a whole bunch of stuff.

[00:34:02.340] – Interviewer
Mmm, like what?

[00:34:03.800] – Shane Cuthbert
I went to Major Organized Crime and said, “hey, can you guys go..”

[00:34:06.890] – Interviewer
They got you talking about a bunch of stuff to do with what? Like, just like. What do you mean they got a bunch. You got you talking to Georgia about stuff?

[00:34:16.980] – Shane Cuthbert
Well, everything. They’ve gone through, all my messages, they. They. They threatened to charge Georgia with they wanted Georgia to come in and sit down with them and major organized crime and discuss me. Umm, now, she refused and nothing’s come of it. But they called her up and they said, “look, we’ve gone through all your messages between each other. Umm, you told us you’re not with Shane anymore. Messages say different. So we’re going to charge you with giving false information to investigators.” They haven’t charged her yet. She refused to go in for questioning and they’ve done nothing. But the office is located in a casino where all my friends are. We’ve got the Mongols up here now that run all the security in town. The head of the security at the casinos, my mate, he sits down with them and has coffee. So they’ve been sitting down with him, telling him, “oh, yeah, look, he said this about the labor party in this document and that document” and a whole bunch of stuff. So they’re going around telling people about my business on my computer. So they’re like, they’re blabbing. Umm..

[00:35:34.630] – Interviewer
Wait? What are they, what are they even investigating you for? Like what are they suspecting you of doing?

[00:35:43.880] – Shane Cuthbert
Ahh, they’re suspecting that, umm…

[00:35:45.540] – Interviewer
Selling the alcohol without a license?

[00:35:47.500] – Shane Cuthbert
I’m going to inflitrate… they think that I’m a bikie and I’m infiltrating the legal system and becoming friends with judges and politicians to ah, get a foothold in Cairns and Queensland wide. Ah, and that all my volunteer work and my getting awards and things like that is all just a front. It’s all a front. I’m just pretending. Um, I’m really dangerous person that’s trying to infiltrate…

[00:36:15.990] – Interviewer
Have they said, how do you know that this is what they suspect? Like, have they put this to you?

[00:36:20.080] – Shane Cuthbert
This is what they’ve been saying to the cops that I talk to and also the head of security that I talk to.

[00:36:26.960] – Interviewer
All right, so they think you are trying to. You are actually involved in major organized crime yourself?

[00:36:32.570] – Shane Cuthbert
What’s that?

[00:36:33.210] – Interviewer
They think you’re involved in organized crime yourself?

[00:36:35.590] – Shane Cuthbert
Yes.

[00:36:38.570] – Interviewer
Right.

[00:36:39.970] – Shane Cuthbert
Now, what else is really interesting is that because they have all my text messages, they would have messages between me and major organized crime. And so they’ll be, they obviously know now that I’m a high level informant, and so maybe that’s why they haven’t charged anyone with anything. They’re just like,

[00:37:02.660] – Shane Cuthbert
All right, so hang on. Who’s “they” haven’t charged… So you’re informing to major organized crime within the police..

[00:37:09.880] – Shane Cuthbert
Yep

[00:37:10.100] – Shane Cuthbert
..within the queen.. QPol,

[00:37:11.430] – Shane Cuthbert
Yep

[00:37:11.730] – Interviewer
but who is it that’s actually investigating? Is it like the feds or who is it…

[00:37:15.200] – Shane Cuthbert
Liquor and gaming

[00:37:16.860] – Interviewer
Liquor and Gaming

[00:37:17.270] – Shane Cuthbert
But as far as I know, only liquor and gaming, but I know that they all talk.

[00:37:22.910] – Interviewer
But what can liquor and gaming actually get you for? Like, what’s their official investigation? What’s seeing if you’re selling alcohol without a license? Is that basically what they’re…

[00:37:29.550] – Shane Cuthbert
Yes. And they’ve already, so they’ve already told Georgia that they’re pretty satisfied that’s not the case.

[00:37:34.840] – Interviewer
Right.

[00:37:36.390] – Shane Cuthbert
Because they come in, the warrant said cash registers, things like that we don’t have.

[00:37:41.470] – Interviewer
So are you officially still running a brewery or what’s, what have you, what’s the official stance on that now?

[00:37:49.870] – Shane Cuthbert
Oh nothing. So they’re thinking, well, hang on a second.

[00:37:54.230] – Interviewer
Are you claiming that you actually own a brewery or you telling them, “Nah, look, I’m not going to operate that business after all. It was an idea but never went ahead with it.”

[00:38:02.630] – Shane Cuthbert
No, no. It’s, it’s still like, yes, when we have a liquor license, it’ll be open as a business.

[00:38:08.810] – Interviewer
All right. So officially, you’re still, you’re still in the process of trying to actually start running as a legitimate business.

[00:38:16.040] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah.

[00:38:16.640] – Interviewer
Right. Okay.

[00:38:17.960] – Shane Cuthbert
Without my name on it. So that’s why they’re like, “okay, what’s the go here?” My name’s not on anything. Yeah, but they, they had it under surveillance. They were coming by, seeing me there all the time, things like that. Like, yeah.

[00:38:33.120] – Interviewer
So are they concerned about these awards and everything or all, also just to try to gain credibility so that you can, what? Have some sort of criminal influence within the justice system?

[00:38:46.530] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:38:49.100] – Interviewer
Well, surely if they took your laptop, they would have found, like, how have you been submitting these, these nominations saying that you’re me basically. Like, are you doing it on your laptop? How does it, how did, how do you actually do it?

[00:39:01.070] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah. Like, I mean, they would look at that and they would be able to see that. Oh, he’s got documents here that, like, I’ve got umm….

[00:39:09.390] – Interviewer
What are some examples of some of the awards that you’ve actually nominated yourself for? Like, what kind of awards are we talking?

[00:39:16.870] – Shane Cuthbert
Oh, you know, law student of the year and, like, you know, Australian of the year. You know, just.

[00:39:23.210] – Interviewer
Well, what was the most recent ones you’ve nominated for? And have you won anything?

[00:39:30.150] – Shane Cuthbert
No.

[00:39:30.870] – Interviewer
Right. So. So they’re just nominations, but when you get nominated, do you get some sort of sticker or logo or something that you can use to say, “yep, I’m an officially denominator for this?”

[00:39:40.440] – Shane Cuthbert
Yep.

[00:39:41.660] – Interviewer
All right. But I mean, law student of the year, Australian of the year…That doesn’t seem like anything too, like, I don’t know why they’d be worried about that.

[00:39:49.100] – Shane Cuthbert
Well, it’s. It’s. Yeah. Then it’s nothing illegal. It’s just they. They think there’s more going on. They think there’s more going on and that they haven’t uncovered it yet. And they think that I’m…I dunno…

[00:40:03.120] – Interviewer
Approximately. How many nominations, like, have you actually been. Been officially receiving?

[00:40:09.700] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah. What happened the day they raided me? It was Australia Day because I was here. I just got back. I was dressed in a suit because I went to the Australia Day awards that day, because I was nominated for volunteer of the year.

[00:40:22.690] – Interviewer
By me.

[00:40:24.930] – Shane Cuthbert
They see me making submissions to parliament, speaking to parliament.

[00:40:28.910] – Interviewer
Wait, can’t you just nominate yourself? Does the nomination have to come from somebody else?

[00:40:33.410] – Shane Cuthbert
Oh, some. You can self nominate. Yeah.

[00:40:35.660] – Interviewer
Right. Okay.

[00:40:38.060] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah So not always. And I’ve got Rob Pyne doing a few for me at the moment now, too, so.

[00:40:42.500] – Interviewer
But does Rob Pyne actually make the nominations, or are you just nominating yourself using Rob Pyne’s name like you do with mine?

[00:40:48.890] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah.

[00:40:50.340] – Interviewer
Oh, you. You just say that you’re Rob Pyne as well?

[00:40:53.620] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, he. I mean, he knows about it. He was just like, I’m a paraplegic, so, like, I can’t write it. He’s like, you just do what you want. Put my name on it, and I’ll say yeah..(laughs)

[00:41:01.440] – Interviewer
All right, so you haven’t nominated yourself for anything that Rob Pyne under Rob Pyne’s name that Rob Pyne wouldn’t know about or, you know.

[00:41:09.400] – Shane Cuthbert
No. No.

[00:41:10.720] – Interviewer
Okay. Okay. But, I mean, when they confiscate your laptop and they would have seen these nominations, would there be anything on there that would, like, how would they prove that any nominations that have been made on that laptop have been made up by you and not actually come from me legitimately? Like, how would they know or prove that?

[00:41:31.160] – Shane Cuthbert
Well, they. Well, they can’t, but, you know, I’ve got a document here that just says award nominations, and in it, it’s got, like. So instead of me having to write a fucking 400 word essay every time I want to be nominated for something, I’ve just got. I cut a paste. So they’ll be like, oh, this guy’s got an. In the same document. You know, I’ve got, like, all the dates for the award nominations every year when, when nominations open, when they are, things like that. So I’ve got reminders that, oh okay, in April. Oh, you can apply for this, this and this.

[00:42:03.670] – Interviewer
All right, so you’ve got a document file that just lists all the doc. All the awards that you have or want to nominate yourself for.

[00:42:10.870] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah.

[00:42:11.880] – Interviewer
And how many are there like the four or five we talk like 20-30?

[00:42:19.610] – Shane Cuthbert
Umm, geez more than 30.

[00:42:21.050] – Interviewer
Oh really?

[00:42:22.650] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah. Award nominations criteria. Yeah, it’s got all my memberships. When all my memberships are due. Other awards. Yeah. There’s probably up to 100.

[00:42:34.050] – Interviewer
Wow

[00:42:35.370] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah.

[00:42:35.870] – Interviewer
I didn’t even know there were that many awards.

[00:42:38.380] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, there’s a lot.

[00:42:39.660] – Interviewer
Can you send that to me? Can I say that? Can I say that? Something like that. Just what the hell? Did you, did you find one place where you could find a collection of all the different types of awards or

[00:42:50.850] – Shane Cuthbert
No, I’ve just been collecting my own thing in my own…

[00:42:50.950] – Interviewer
…have you just collected it yourself personally? Right. So you could actually use that. You could use that somehow to say, look for anybody who wants just a one stop shop for all the different types of awards there are. Here you go. I’ve spent the last year or two collecting it.

[00:43:06.160] – Shane Cuthbert
Yep. See there’s only one, nomination in May. That’s lawyers Weekly australian law awards.

[00:43:15.200] – Interviewer
Yeah. I want to see this.

[00:43:16.750] – Shane Cuthbert
I’ve already nominated myself for that yesterday. (laughs)

[00:43:22.800] – Interviewer
Can you email it to me?

[00:43:24.800] – Shane Cuthbert
Look, there’s a lot. There’s a lot here that, um. Yeah. So what, so what’s your, what email do I use these days?

[00:43:37.460] – Interviewer
Just whatever. Adams dot SJ, I guess.

[00:43:41.480] – Shane Cuthbert
Adams dot sj at gmail.

[00:43:43.540] – Interviewer
Yeah that will do. Ahh…(belches)

[00:43:53.240] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah. And, and look, now. Now I’ve got letters. So. Okay. So I’ve been working, working with Pat O’Shane very closely. So there’s a documentary coming out, I think pretty soon of me and. Me and Pat O’Shane.

[00:44:07.540] – Interviewer
Yep.

[00:44:09.130] – Shane Cuthbert
We’ve become buddies. The magistrate who sentenced me and now I’m president of the law society at my university and she’s working on a PhD and I’m doing research for her.

[00:44:22.940] – Interviewer
Yep.

[00:44:23.660] – Shane Cuthbert
So she has done some nice letters for me about how I’m a good bloke. I’ve got Rob Pyne, I got a Deb Kilroy. Also another one’s got. Okay, what have I done? I’ve just sent that to myself. Yeah. Yeah. So I’ve got a few people and then. Yeah, so they’re getting worried because I’m. I don’t know, I think they’re just thinking “this guy’s affiliated with gangs and stuff and got raided and now he’s like infiltrating society.” Like, I mean, they are scratching their heads because they’re thinking, “well, hang on a second, is he, he’s been an informant to us because of his connection to major organized crime and bikies.”

[00:45:13.110] – Interviewer
What were you informing up until recently? Like what kind of stuff were you telling them most recently? Like in the last twelve months?

[00:45:33.260] – Shane Cuthbert
Here we go. Now. Okay. Adams. Yeah, just stuff. I mean here in Cairns, now we’ve got the Mongols are running the security. They’ve come up, they’ve opening new nightclubs and things like that. A lot of stuff happening here that I hear about.

[00:45:55.120] – Interviewer
Yeah, but how do you hear about it?

[00:45:57.880] – Shane Cuthbert
Just everyone in my contracts, I really am, and I really have infiltrated. Um, I speak to everyone everywhere.

[00:46:10.170] – Interviewer
Yeah, but you’re telling me organized crime gangs are just freely telling you information about organized crime deals going down.

[00:46:18.070] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, cause I’ve got a 13 on my face and they think that I’m one of them.

[00:46:23.530] – Interviewer
What’s that a Mongol thing?

[00:46:26.170] – Shane Cuthbert
Well, actually, I did have some Mongols give me a hard time a couple months ago about that.

[00:46:31.420] – Interviewer
Really?

[00:46:32.460] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, well, it’s an. It’s an M for.. it’s the 13th letter of the Alphabet is an M. And traditionally, every bikey has it. It’s an M for motorcycle. But the Mongols, there was a couple Mongols that they’d moved up here from the Tweed coast. Tweed coast chapter and telling me that I had fucking 24 hours to get the 13 off my face or, you know, it would be removed for me.

[00:46:59.050] – Interviewer
Yeah.

[00:46:59.810] – Shane Cuthbert
And I was like, ah, yeah, okay. So these guys were going around just the typical places, like, all the tattoo shops asking them like, “oh, do you know this fucking Shane Cuthbert guy? Who the fuck’s this guy?” You know, like, sort of fucking hunting me. Then one day I was actually speaking to parliament that same fucking day, and I’m across the street getting a burrito. And one of these guys that owns the tattoo shops is like “Oh, man, fuck. You got old mate fucking hunting you.” I was like,”What?” And I’m sitting there, like, in a suit with, like, Rob Pyne and shit. (laughs) And I was like, “yeah, all right, no worries. I’ll sort it out.” And then I, you know, got on to my friends down south, and then they obviously said, “Yeah, just leave that Shane Cuthbert guy alone. He’s pretty good.”

[00:47:49.360] – Interviewer
Yep.

[00:47:50.100] – Shane Cuthbert
I think they, I think they’re also worried that I’m a double agent. So I think major organized crimes thinking, “Well, hang on a second. He informs to us. What is there for us to think that? You know, he doesn’t inform back to. Back to major organized crime. He gets to see sensitive documents. He’s got aspirations to run for an elected position.” Um,

[00:48:18.600] – Interviewer
Wait, who, who suspect who do you think is suspecting you’re a double agent?

[00:48:23.510] – Shane Cuthbert
Major Organized Crime.

[00:48:24.970] – Interviewer
Okay, but if you inform to them about Mongols.

[00:48:28.040] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah.

[00:48:28.890] – Interviewer
Then how would you inform to Mongols about them? Like, they don’t give you any information about what they’re doing presumably.

[00:48:36.950] – Shane Cuthbert
Oh they do. I get some info.

[00:48:40.030] – Interviewer
Like what? Why would police be, be telling informants information that the informants can then go back…

[00:48:48.670] – Shane Cuthbert
Because I’ve built good relationships with people. Like, yeah, I’ve been able to find some things out when I need to, but I’ve also, I’m friends of cops, like, just general cops here too, that tell me shit as well. So, yeah, I think. I think the investigations bigger than just liquor and gaming, because otherwise it doesn’t make sense. Unless it was liquor and gaming to start off with. And then they thought, oh, because here’s the thing. Why would major organized crime stop talking to me? It’s because I’m under an active investigation.

[00:49:28.630] – Interviewer
What I don’t really understand, to be honest, is

[00:49:31.020] – Shane Cuthbert
Because if they’re investigation gets anything, right, and then I get charged with something, and then I go to court and go, “well, your honor, they can’t use that information because I was also giving them that same information at the same time.”

[00:49:45.610] – Interviewer
I still don’t understand how. How did you come to start being an informant in the first place? Like, how did you go from, okay, you’re making money, Mongol. The Mongols are paying you a lot of money. Like, how much money would you say that you made from them?

[00:50:03.860] – Shane Cuthbert
I don’t know, half a mil, maybe more.

[00:50:06.320] – Interviewer
All right, so the Mongols have paid you half a mil or more, and you’ve just decided one day to go, “oh, you know what? Even though I’m making good money from them, I’ll just go and dob on them to the cops”, like, with the police offer you money as well?

[00:50:21.980] – Shane Cuthbert
All I can say is that I am Shane Cuthbert.(laughs)

[00:50:27.480] – Interviewer
Um, so it wasn’t a monetary incentive or you weren’t in a position where they threatened you?

[00:50:32.780] – Shane Cuthbert
I’ve got raided. The incentive was, this is, this is how I knew it would work. I knew then when I got raided that I was under investigation. I knew there was probably a couple of things they could probably try to charge me with if they wanted to. I knew that if I could get my foot in the door and sit down with the cops and start confessing to some shit, they then could not charge me with those crimes because they would be like, oh, well, when it gets to court later on, they would be like, “oh, we’ve charged you with these crimes.” And then I say, “yeah, but I wasn’t informant, and I told them all about those crimes.” And so it gets really, really messy in court because then they can’t use that information because it’s privileged, basically. So I was contaminating their investigation by talking to them and then I just continued on.

[00:51:31.990] – Interviewer
Wait, so you did it because you’re in a position where you’re worried that they might charge you, so you did it so it would reduce their likelihood of wanting to charge you?

[00:51:39.410] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, yeah. And then from that point, I just. I’m just Shane cuthbert. I just want everybody to like me. I want to be in everyone’s tribe. I want to be in the politicians tribe, I want to be in the gangsters tribe, I want to be in the police tribe. Just everyone’s tribes. I’ll be. Come together.

[00:52:01.410] – Interviewer
Yeah. But to gain acceptance in one tribe, you’re having to, like, basically turn on another tribe and then turn the tribes against each other. So you’re not really loyal to any particular tribe, you’re sort of like, playing against each other?

[00:52:18.850] – Shane Cuthbert
Oh, no. I never really gave them anything that, you know, was, was as useful. I never really gave them anything that they could use against the Mongols, that’s for sure.

[00:52:32.760] – Interviewer
So what, were you just giving them false intel?

[00:52:37.160] – Shane Cuthbert
Do you remember when I was hanging around with my mate Kyne?

[00:52:39.540] – Interviewer
Who?

[00:52:40.890] – Shane Cuthbert
My mate Kyne.

[00:52:42.090] – Interviewer
No.

[00:52:43.890] – Shane Cuthbert
So it’s a couple years ago now and he got out of jail and he’s just. Was giving me a lot of information I could pass on (laughs) you know, just about local junkies and shit.

[00:52:59.410] – Interviewer
Who’s Kyne. Is that his first name or his last name or is that his nickname?

[00:53:08.740] – Shane Cuthbert
First name

[00:53:09.210] – Interviewer
Okay, I don’t remember a Kyne.

[00:53:11.620] – Shane Cuthbert
But anyway, I know that this is what they’re thinking because I know that the police and my mate at the casino has told me that that’s what they’re saying. They’re saying, “oh, we just think he’s, there’s more going on. We think it’s all the front. We think it’s all a facade. He’s getting all these awards, all this stuff in the community, but it’s all. It’s all just the front. He’s really an organized crime figure trying to infiltrate society.” But then they know now that I’m an informant. So, I mean, maybe they’re, like, that’s gotta…

[00:53:58.320] – Interviewer
Right.

[00:53:59.720] – Shane Cuthbert
That’s got to umm… make them scratch their heads even more now, because they’d be thinking, “oh, we thought he was major organized crime. Maybe he is.” Now, I know that major organized crime have gone back to them and said, “hey, yes. So those messages you found, umm, yeah. So they were to us. So just don’t tell anyone about that.”

[00:54:23.620] – Interviewer
Look, what, what is the, let’s say they knew everything. 100% transparent. Right? What. What would be the worst case scenario they could actually get you for? Like, what crimes have you actually committed that they could actually get you for? No, no, I don’t mean things that you think they may or may not be able to prove. Like, if they abs, if they actually knew everything, what have you actually done?

[00:54:41.990] – Shane Cuthbert
Well, nothing. I haven’t done anything illegal.

[00:54:48.390] – Interviewer
Right.

[00:54:52.200] – Shane Cuthbert
But if they’re, you know, up your ass, they’ll try to do something. Like when they were going to charge Georgia with giving them false information that would then make Georgia an unfit and proper person to hold a liquor license, which would therefore stop me being able to open the brewery. So there’s still things that they can do to, fuck with me without necessarily, you know, being able to prove any crimes.

[00:55:22.720] – Interviewer
Well, what about even just having domestic violence anonymous, but not actually doing anything with it? Like if you’ve got a website that says you do stuff and there’s some way that they can prove that you don’t do that. Like, is there any crime that says you can’t start or operate or, you know, have a, have a charity claiming to do stuff only to sit back and not actually do any of it? Like, is that, is that illegal?

[00:55:48.630] – Shane Cuthbert
No, but again, I think that just makes them scratch their heads even more because they probably think, “what’s the go. Like, why would somebody do that?” Like, straight away when you do things like that with charities, they think, okay, they’re using it to launder money or something like that, but there’s no money going into it. So they’d be thinking, “wait, so he went through all of the effort and the trouble to set up a charity just so he could tell people that he has a charity…

[00:56:19.210] – Interviewer
Yeah.

[00:56:20.020] – Shane Cuthbert
…that doesn’t do anything. Like, who would do that?” So then they, like, start scratching their heads. They put it this way.

[00:56:27.260] – Interviewer
What. Why did you do it? Like, what would be, what is your actual motive? What have you actually gained from it?

[00:56:35.250] – Shane Cuthbert
Well, basically only just being able to say that “I, it’s another thing I do in the community.”

[00:56:43.060] – Interviewer
So it’s just for your own personal image and reputation and credibility? It’s not actually.

[00:56:46.930] – Shane Cuthbert
Basically

[00:56:47.630] – Interviewer
It just, it just makes you appear more credible, gets you to, you know, open doors for you, wins trust of people that wouldn’t otherwise have necessarily thought you. Anybody trustworthy.

[00:56:57.030] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah.

[00:56:57.930] – Interviewer
All right, well, that’s, I don’t think that’s, I don’t think that’s illegal, is it? To just commit. I don’t know. What’s that, like? Character…

[00:57:06.320] – Shane Cuthbert
The consumer law, I think it would come under consumer law, like, because consumer law is like, you know, where something’s, like, false advertising. So it would be me advertising that I am an expert and a president of these organizations. But the organizations, they do exist. So it’s not like it’s a pretend organization. It’s like, oh, it’s an actual organization, but it doesn’t do anything. So it sort of is pretend. But.

[00:57:31.980] – Interviewer
Well, you said you had to, like, fake like, you have minutes or something like that, like quarterly or annual AGM sort of things. Do you have to have that kind of…

[00:57:41.120] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, I think you meant to.

[00:57:45.360] – Interviewer
All right, so what? You said you faked minutes, so you submit phony minutes and said that we were gathered around discussing the AGM or some shit like that. That’s about it?

[00:57:54.890] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, probably.

[00:57:56.490] – Interviewer
All right, well, I mean, it’s not exactly the crime of the century.

[00:58:02.050] – Shane Cuthbert
(laughs) No.

[00:58:03.370] – Interviewer
Especially, especially when it would come down to like, okay, “but what do you gain from that? What’s the reason for that?” And I guess to explain to them, you were just, look, you were on A Current Affair a few years ago, being a domestic violence guy, it made you look bad and people didn’t trust you. So what you thought you’d do is to counter that. You’d go around trying to make yourself look like a good guy.

[00:58:26.790] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah

[00:58:27.520] – Interviewer
So that people would go “Oh he’s a reformed, he’s a hero”,

[00:58:29.590] – Shane Cuthbert
Yes

[00:58:29.830] – Interviewer
And then they would start trusting you again.

[00:58:35.370] – Interviewer
Yes (laugh)

[00:58:35.660] – Interviewer
So that’s basically it.

[00:58:38.090] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah. Yeah. It’s, it’s just not their day today. You know, they’re just like, “Oh, what? That doesn’t make sense.”

[00:58:45.700] – Interviewer
It’s just not their day today?

[00:58:48.180] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, they’re just, you know, because they’re used to people, like, doing things for financial gain or, like, and it’s a lot of effort. Like, why has he done all of this effort? But it doesn’t do anything? Now with, with Shane Cuthberts Change The World Foundation

[00:59:04.540] – Interviewer
It’s for your self esteem.

[00:59:06.300] – Shane Cuthbert
I actually have applied for government grants unsuccessfully through that.

[00:59:13.690] – Interviewer
Oh, really?

[00:59:14.700] – Shane Cuthbert
So I can say, yeah, look, I’ve applied for grants and put together projects, and they just haven’t been funded, so it’s not my fault. But, yeah, I’ve actually tried to do things with that, and I do want to do the same with domestic violence, too.

[00:59:29.210] – Interviewer
Wait, so you’ve actually applied to get money?

[00:59:32.410] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah.

[00:59:32.850] – Interviewer
for Shane Cuthbert Change the World Foundation?

[00:59:34.510] – Shane Cuthbert
Yes.

[00:59:35.770] – Interviewer
Now, is that, is that set up the same way where you’ve got Georgia and Jay Morgan…

[00:59:40.440] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, yeah.

[00:59:41.810] – Interviewer
…set up as, wait, what are you, did you not tell Georgia this because you thought she wouldn’t agree to it or because she just wouldn’t give a shit?

[00:59:52.000] – Shane Cuthbert
She just wouldn’t care. Like, she just wouldn’t I mean I probably have told her. She probably just doesn’t understand. Like just in ear in one ear, out the other like oh yeah.

[01:00:03.980] – Interviewer
Does Georgia have any idea at all as to all this stuff that you get up to?

[01:00:07.950] – Shane Cuthbert
No. I actually broke up with her a couple of weeks ago but I can’t get rid of her. She’s just, I see her more now than ever.

[01:00:19.510] – Interviewer
Wait, so yous aren’t together anymore?

[01:00:21.630] – Shane Cuthbert
No.

[01:00:24.150] – Interviewer
And why is that?

[01:00:27.710] – Shane Cuthbert
Just because her mum had a stroke, she moved back in with them at least six months ago. Her dad’s being a fucking retard again. Hasn’t talked to me for fucking twelve months. And then I was like, oh well you know what, I don’t really want to talk to him so, don’t worry about it.

[01:00:46.800] – Interviewer
Clem didn’t want to talk to you?

[01:00:48.890] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah,

[01:00:49.750] – Interviewer
Why not?

[01:00:51.570] – Shane Cuthbert
Oh I don’t know. He can’t, can’t say anything. He can’t have a confrontation.

[01:00:58.300] – Interviewer
Is he pissed off with you about something?

[01:01:00.580] – Shane Cuthbert
Oh yeah.

[01:01:02.310] – Interviewer
What?

[01:01:04.860] – Shane Cuthbert
So when she had a stroke and we all went to the hospital and someone said to me, they all went in there like crying, they’re all hysterical and shit. So they had all gone in to see their mom and I was in like the waiting room and I thought it was either one of their friends or there was like a lady like social worker. There was someone in the room that said “oh, we were nearly gonna have to call security because Chloe got so hysterical”,

[01:01:39.200] – Interviewer
Right.

[01:01:40.340] – Shane Cuthbert
And I told Georgia that and Georgia told them and then they were like, “oh, why would he lie about that?” And I was like, so they asked me at dinner one night and I was like, “oh well yeah, it must have been your friend that was there that said it.” So straight away they’ve messaged the friend like, “oh, did you say something about this to security or something?” And the friend was like, “no.” And I was like, “oh well it must have been someone else.” They’re like, “oh, you’re just lying about it.” And I was like “well why would I make that up? Like it’s going to come from somewhere.” Now anyway, they think that I made that up to make Chloe feel ahh, insecure about being emotional the day she thought her mom was gonna die and was just having a dig and I truly wasn’t. Like someone said something and I didn’t think anything of it. Like, oh yeah, okay, but it’s…

[01:02:30.440] – Interviewer
Wait so somebody said to you, “I had to almost have to call security because Chloe was getting irrational.”

[01:02:37.650] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, like yelling and screaming like in, like in,

[01:02:42.090] – Interviewer
But you don’t know who it was that said that.

[01:02:44.650] – Shane Cuthbert
No, it’s just

[01:02:46.340] – Interviewer
Was it like a staff member or a friend of the family?

[01:02:50.850] – Shane Cuthbert
I don’t know. It could have been the fucking social worker that was there. Like, I really don’t remember. Like, of all things I remember of that day, that was, like, one of the least things I was concerned about. Now, this happens a lot where people ask me stuff and I’m like, I either remember things differently or, like, it’s a big issue to somebody else. And I’m just like, “oh. It’s just. Well, I don’t know. Like, I can’t remember, like, exactly what was said, but, like, I just remember the gist of things.” Even you, like, asking me before about, like, when Tyler did shit. Like, that’s probably significant things in people’s lives. And I was, you know, I just can’t remember. I’m like, oh, fuck, I don’t know. I can’t remember. Maybe it did, maybe. I don’t know. I just. I can’t remember shit.

[01:03:38.830] – Interviewer
Yeah, righto.

[01:03:41.230] – Shane Cuthbert
(laughs) And, yeah, so I’ve been accused of lying on occasion. I’m like, oh, I’m not lying. It’s like someone said something about that or along those lines. Like, okay, might not be the exact words, but, you know.

[01:03:58.230] – Interviewer
But what? This is what Clem is upset with you about?

[01:04:01.730] – Shane Cuthbert
Oh, yeah. He just. Apparently. So, I haven’t seen them since. And that would have been. When was that? April or June or something? Last year. Yeah, so.

[01:04:18.370] – Interviewer
Right, so Clem was upset about that.

[01:04:22.330] – Shane Cuthbert
Uh, so he says.

[01:04:25.730] – Interviewer
Wasn’t he already upset with you before that? About something?

[01:04:29.010] – Shane Cuthbert
Yeah, we didn’t talk for a year. Then they went to the hospital. I waited for Phoebe to fly up from Melbourne. Hang on a second. I just got Rob Pyne on the line.